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A certain Sci-Fi genre...?

Spinward Scout

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I'm trying to describe a genre. Or sub-genre. Offshoot of science fiction. Dark and mysterious. Andre Norton's Star Rangers. ALIEN/ALIENS. But not exactly either of those. Some of Star Wars. The TTA books. Part of the galaxy has been explored/colonized, but there are still new/unexplored things and even relics everywhere. Almost a feeling of overwhelming of the vastness of space. Like right on the edge of horror.

And I can't put my finger on it.

Maybe genre isn't the right word.

Any ideas?
 
some movies:

Planet of the Vampires (very good movie actually)
Galaxy of Terror (very cheesy good)
Space Hunter (:rolleyes:)
and of course... Forbidden Planet (best)

even "the black hole" might fit.

and the first moon western... Moon Zero Two
and most of Space: 1999
 
Yes, all of that.

That feeling in ALIENS when they realize help is 17 days away.

It's not the horror of the creatures that are stalking /hunting them. Those things you can shoot at - you can take action against it/them.

It's that feeling of being farther away from civilization than anyone's ever been before.

Out in the dark.

Like the rest of the human race might as well not exist.

To me, that's scary. And exciting.

That's the kind of stories I want to write and read. See in a movie. Play in an rpg.
 
You're better off looking through the Horror sub-genres. This sounds like a Psychological/alone in the dark kind of description. If you remove the science fiction, there are versions of the story all over the place, any one of which could be put back into a scifi setting. The Mysterious island of Dr. Moreau, the legend of the Mary Celeste.

I know there are a whole bunch of others too.
 
Those kind of stories are right up my alley. "Forbidden Planet", "Planet of the Vampires", Andre Norton, especially the "Zero Stone" and "Moon of Three Rings" tales, all lodged in my subconscious. Have you read any of C.L. Moore's "Northwest Smith" stories?

Here's an essay about the stories. Some people called them "pulp S.F.", others "weird tales".

Ultimately, categories and labels exclude as much as they include. Some people get into hair-splitting arguments about whether a work "really is" part of a genre or not. You know what you like. I would concentrate on the elements you like, and teasing them out from what you see and read. Maybe call the "Spinward Scout Stories", or "S3" for short?
 
The first paragraph of C.L. Moore's "Shambleau" evokes some of that feeling of mystery and wonder in me:

Man has conquered Space before. You may be sure of that. Somewhere beyond the Egyptians, in that dimness out of which come echoes of half -mythical names — Atlantis, Mu — somewhere back of history's first beginnings there must have been an age when mankind, like us today, built cities of steel to house its star-roving ships and knew the names of the planets in their own native tongues — heard Venus' people call their wet world "Sha-ardol" in that soft, sweet, slurring speech and mimicked Mars' guttural "Lakdiz" from the harsh tongues of Mars' dryland dwellers. You may be sure of it. Man has conquered Space before, and out of that conquest faint, faint echoes run still through a world that has forgotten the very fact of a civilization which must have been as mighty as our own. There have been too many myths and legends for us to doubt it. The myth of the Medusa, for instance, can never have had its roots in the soil of Earth. That tale of the snake-haired Gorgon whose gaze turned the gazer to stone never originated about any creature that Earth nourished. And those ancient Greeks who told the story must have remembered, dimly and half believing, a tale of antiquity about some strange being from one of the outlying planets their remotest ancestors once trod.
 
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Northwest Smith - kinda makes me think of Indiana Jones. I need to come up with a cool space name like that.

I'll check them out!

Thanks!
 
Part of the galaxy has been explored/colonized, but there are still new/unexplored things and even relics everywhere. Almost a feeling of overwhelming of the vastness of space.

It also sort of sounds like Space Viking meets Starhammer... maybe.
 
Perhaps a genre that refers to the "frontier"?

I scanned through a list of genres, and nothing really stood out to me as a genre for the era of Daniel Boone and Davy Crocket. American Old West tends to refer a later era, after those two and others, called frontiersman, blazed trails through the Appalachians.

I don't keep up with literature any more. Does anyone write stories of that era any more?

Viking sagas also contain stories of the unknown.

What genre is the "big game hunter" of 1800s-1940s beating the bush and jungles of Africa and the Amazon?
 
I don't remember reading any stories like James Fenimore Cooper wrote since I was a kid. 'Frontier adventures' might be descriptive of that genre... And yes, The Old West was typically 1870-1890.
 
For some reason this made me remember Glen Cook's "Darkwar" trilogy. It's not technically cosmic horror, or any kind of horror at all. It just evokes, at times, that horrid feeling of desperation, and somehow avoids looking too far-fetched while doing so.

Spoiler: It features humanoid wolves. And a lot of psionics.
 
You need to look at some of the John Grimes novels by A. Bertram Chandler where they venture beyond the Rim and also into alternate universes. Also, A. E. Van Vogt's Voyage of the Space Beagle. Andre Norton's Star Guard might also be close to what you are looking for.
 
Perhaps a genre that refers to the "frontier"?

I scanned through a list of genres, and nothing really stood out to me as a genre for the era of Daniel Boone and Davy Crocket. American Old West tends to refer a later era, after those two and others, called frontiersman, blazed trails through the Appalachians.

I don't keep up with literature any more. Does anyone write stories of that era any more?

Viking sagas also contain stories of the unknown.

What genre is the "big game hunter" of 1800s-1940s beating the bush and jungles of Africa and the Amazon?

For more of the Frontier period, you have the Sackett Family series of novels from Louis L'Amour. And you have a fair number of diaries and accounts by explorers and mountain men available on Project Gutenberg.

As for the "big game hunter" stories, I suspect that you are thinking of books like H. Rider Haggard's King Solomon's Mines, Allan Quartermain, and She. According to Wikipedia, those are in the Adventure/Lost World genre.

Applying that idea or concept to Traveller, it would be more of the Beyond Empire, or using Larry Niven's "Tales of Known Space" series, something like Unknown Stars.
 
You need to look at some of the John Grimes novels by A. Bertram Chandler where they venture beyond the Rim and also into alternate universes. Also, A. E. Van Vogt's Voyage of the Space Beagle. Andre Norton's Star Guard might also be close to what you are looking for.

I've read all of of those except for the Space Beagle one.

Sigh,, I'm getting old and my relatives want me to sell off my early sf paperbacks. I told them they could do that later on. I want to re-read them.

Stories about Grimes are very good. A. E. Van Vogt's stories will certainly stretch your mind.

Andre Norton and Robert Heinlein were some of my early reading material.
 
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