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Several others have offered up their versions of how the various countries came through WW3 and survived until 2300.
Here is my alternate North American History. I used this back in the mid 80s and haven't really updated it much, so it might be a bit niave..
At the end of WW3 the US is split into rival factions as stated, but so it Canada.
Quebec quickly seizes the opportunity to declare it's independence and with the help of France claims all of Canada to the east. That border stays relatively stable into 2300. Quebec eventually joins as a Deparment of France.
The US is split and during the early parts of the 21st Century Utah and nearby Mormon enclaves declare their independence and establish a Mormon state (called Deserte). Their territory is all of Utah as well as small parts of surrounding states that have Mormon majorities. The Mormon custom of having large quantities of supplies on hand (usually one year) allow them to weather the hard times fairly well. (1)
As Mexico moves north to "reclaim" former territory, they are stopped cold at the Rio Grande by Texas. This forces the Mexicans farther west and they are able to take New Mexico and Arizona. Texas eventually forms its own country, but includes all of Oklahoma and a small part of southwestern Kansas. (2)
As Mexico starts to move into southern California, the remains of the National Guard of California, Oregon and Washington, supplemented by US forces from Fort Lewis and Ft. Scott in Washington AND a contingent of Canadian troops from British Columbia successfully defeat the Mexicans and establish a firm border in the "Battle of Big Sir".
This combination of state and Canadian forces west of the Rockies leads this region to form an alliance and eventually a new country, called Pacifica. Pacifica includes Alaska, Yukon, British Columbia, Vancouver Island, Washington, Oregon, California (north of Big Sir), Nevada and Idaho. Pacifica is able to stabilize much sooner than the rest of the US and eventually a long term border is established roughly coinciding with the Continental Divide. Minor skirmishes with Deserte establish a border along the Snake River in southern Idaho.
The CivGov and MilGov parts of the US finally come together and defeat New America, but by this time they have lost everything west of the Rockies as well as Oklahoma and Texas. They compensate by merging with the rest of Canada not mentioned above.
Pacifica throws it's fortunes in with Manchuria and is able to move to the stars. Pacifica is also the most Green of nations, pioneering solar power and recycling and all that tree-hugger stuff.![Smile :) :)](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)
COLONIES:
Pacifica gets all colonies listed for Canada.
Texas gets to keep the Texas colonies.
Quebequois can be found on any French colony.
Deserte never got off world and never really wanted to.
SO:
The northern Mexican border runs from Big Sir directly east through California, dips down a bit to avoid Nevada, then moves north again to take all of Arizone and New Mexico south of the Red River line. Deserte has all territory east of Nevada and north of the Red River to Texas.
Texas consists of the current state lines of Texas and Oklahoma and the 5 counties in the SW corner of Kansas.
NOTES:
(1) I lived in eastern Idaho for several years (Idaho Falls) and many Mormon families had 1 years supply of food in their houses. Also, I was later influenced by Harry Turtledove's alternate American History and they just reinforced my idea of an independend Mormon state.
(2) In the late 1990s, the five counties in SW Kansas actually had a vote to secede from Kansas and form their own state. I added them to Texas just because they wouldn't want to stay with the US if they could get away with it. Oklahoma joined Texas because IMNSHO most Okies look South rather than North for inspiration anyway.
RESULTS:
The US is even more broken up in my version than in the "real" history, but still strong enough to join with Australia and be a major space power.
Canada is gone completely, but those are the breaks.
I felt that an independent Mormon state and an independent Quebec made a lot more sense than the official version. I left Texas independent because "It's like a whole 'nother country" worked for me and I let them be that way. Having worked in Texas a lot, the idea of an independent Texas is not that far fetched if the US government were to collapse. There is a VERY strong Texas identity that would come through I think.
Here is my alternate North American History. I used this back in the mid 80s and haven't really updated it much, so it might be a bit niave..
At the end of WW3 the US is split into rival factions as stated, but so it Canada.
Quebec quickly seizes the opportunity to declare it's independence and with the help of France claims all of Canada to the east. That border stays relatively stable into 2300. Quebec eventually joins as a Deparment of France.
The US is split and during the early parts of the 21st Century Utah and nearby Mormon enclaves declare their independence and establish a Mormon state (called Deserte). Their territory is all of Utah as well as small parts of surrounding states that have Mormon majorities. The Mormon custom of having large quantities of supplies on hand (usually one year) allow them to weather the hard times fairly well. (1)
As Mexico moves north to "reclaim" former territory, they are stopped cold at the Rio Grande by Texas. This forces the Mexicans farther west and they are able to take New Mexico and Arizona. Texas eventually forms its own country, but includes all of Oklahoma and a small part of southwestern Kansas. (2)
As Mexico starts to move into southern California, the remains of the National Guard of California, Oregon and Washington, supplemented by US forces from Fort Lewis and Ft. Scott in Washington AND a contingent of Canadian troops from British Columbia successfully defeat the Mexicans and establish a firm border in the "Battle of Big Sir".
This combination of state and Canadian forces west of the Rockies leads this region to form an alliance and eventually a new country, called Pacifica. Pacifica includes Alaska, Yukon, British Columbia, Vancouver Island, Washington, Oregon, California (north of Big Sir), Nevada and Idaho. Pacifica is able to stabilize much sooner than the rest of the US and eventually a long term border is established roughly coinciding with the Continental Divide. Minor skirmishes with Deserte establish a border along the Snake River in southern Idaho.
The CivGov and MilGov parts of the US finally come together and defeat New America, but by this time they have lost everything west of the Rockies as well as Oklahoma and Texas. They compensate by merging with the rest of Canada not mentioned above.
Pacifica throws it's fortunes in with Manchuria and is able to move to the stars. Pacifica is also the most Green of nations, pioneering solar power and recycling and all that tree-hugger stuff.
COLONIES:
Pacifica gets all colonies listed for Canada.
Texas gets to keep the Texas colonies.
Quebequois can be found on any French colony.
Deserte never got off world and never really wanted to.
SO:
The northern Mexican border runs from Big Sir directly east through California, dips down a bit to avoid Nevada, then moves north again to take all of Arizone and New Mexico south of the Red River line. Deserte has all territory east of Nevada and north of the Red River to Texas.
Texas consists of the current state lines of Texas and Oklahoma and the 5 counties in the SW corner of Kansas.
NOTES:
(1) I lived in eastern Idaho for several years (Idaho Falls) and many Mormon families had 1 years supply of food in their houses. Also, I was later influenced by Harry Turtledove's alternate American History and they just reinforced my idea of an independend Mormon state.
(2) In the late 1990s, the five counties in SW Kansas actually had a vote to secede from Kansas and form their own state. I added them to Texas just because they wouldn't want to stay with the US if they could get away with it. Oklahoma joined Texas because IMNSHO most Okies look South rather than North for inspiration anyway.
RESULTS:
The US is even more broken up in my version than in the "real" history, but still strong enough to join with Australia and be a major space power.
Canada is gone completely, but those are the breaks.
I felt that an independent Mormon state and an independent Quebec made a lot more sense than the official version. I left Texas independent because "It's like a whole 'nother country" worked for me and I let them be that way. Having worked in Texas a lot, the idea of an independent Texas is not that far fetched if the US government were to collapse. There is a VERY strong Texas identity that would come through I think.