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Major B

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I'm working on a system for classifying naval ships IMTU and have developed the following background that incidentally explains why the Kinunir is such an oddball ship.

Posting it here for comments and for those more familiar with canon to see if I'm contradicting something published that I haven't yet come across. MTU varies from canon, but not by too much, so I want to stay as close as possible.

Imperial Bureaucratic Organizations: There are two Imperial bureaucracies that influence the design and classification of space-faring vessels and craft. The first is the Imperial Joint Equipment Board (IJEB) and the second is the Imperial Naval Historical Commission (INHC).

IJEB: The IJEB processes requests to develop any and all manner of equipment from all four branches of the Imperial Armed Services; the Imperial Army (IA), Imperial Marines (IM), Imperial Navy (IN), and the Imperial Interstellar Scout Service (IISS). The board validates equipment requirements from the service branches and first determines if an already-approved equipment item can fit or can be easily modified to fit the new requirement. If no existing equipment is suitable, the IJEB publishes specifications for equipment designers or naval architects to produce professional designs. The IJEB then reviews submissions and selects one or more designs that meet the design criteria and commissions the production of prototypes for testing. Often prototypes will be designed and built by the services themselves, though this is not always the case. The IJEB then assembles a service group to tests prototype(s) and directs changes if required. When a design passes testing, the IJEB approves the and licenses firms to tool manufacturing facilities in order to fill orders by the service branches. These procedures are followed for every item of equipment from pocket knives to gravitic armored vehicles and space-faring vessels.

INHC: The role of the INHC is to assign names to IN and IISS vessels, but their influence over the design process is more extensive. For example, if the IJEB published specifications for the design of an IN cruiser, those specifications had to be within the parameters of what the INHC considered to be a cruiser. However, the INHC was not similarly constrained, so after a vessel had completed the IJEB process as a frigate, the INHC could still call it a cruiser if the commission so decided. In fact, this situation only occurred rarely, but in at least one instance this is exactly what happened (to the Kinunir-class cruisers, which fit the design parameters of a frigate).

Kinunir-class Cruisers: The development of the Kinunir-class is in fact an interesting case study in the dysfunctional relationship between the IJEB and INHC. The IN equipment requirement that began development of this class called for a vessel that could carry a reinforced IM platoon, meet fleet strategic and tactical mobility minimums (jump-4 and 4G maneuver), able to operate independently, with a black globe generator for additional protection. The IJEB analysis determined that a frigate (1,000 to 5,000 displacement tons) met IN mission specifications, but the INHC insisted that the new design meet the specifications of a cruiser (10,000 displacement tons). The IJEB argued that the vessel did not require a spinal mount weapon so the larger hull was a waste of resources. With IN backing, the IJEB opinion prevailed in this initial dispute and a design displacing 1,250 tons was selected. However, the INHC remained insistent and created a new class of ships called Vanguard Cruiser specifically for this design. The IJEB raised the dispute to Imperial High Command levels and the Moot while the INHC appealed to the court of the recently-crowned Emperor Strephon. After much debate, a compromise was reached in 1071 resulting in withdrawal of the term Vanguard Cruiser, but retention of the currently approved 1,250-ton design with the non-standard designation Colonial Cruiser.

Organizational Dynamics: While the IJEB was composed of about equal numbers of military professionals and civilian employees, the dynamics of those assigned played a role in the organization’s effectiveness. For military officers, service on the IJEB was seen as a stepping stone to higher rank and the civilian employees tended to be long-serving professionals who grew up within the organization. The INHC, on the other hand, had a different composition with a much smaller military component and many more political appointees. The officers serving in the INHC tended to be those close to retirement rather than those aspiring to higher rank. Further, the INHC was seen as a place where politically influential but administratively inept nobles could be placed in order to give them the titled positions that would insure their support and ensure that they did not do irreparable damage. Therefore, part of the reason for the INHC’s seemingly arbitrary decision-making was that a significant amount of its decision-making was in fact arbitrary, caused by high personnel turnover. This set of circumstances persisted with little change until the onset of the Fifth Frontier War.

Fifth Frontier War: Unfortunately, the belief that those on the INHC could not do irreparable damage did not survive the aftermath of the Fifth Frontier War. As battle reports from the Spinward Marches began to reach Capital, it became increasingly clear that the vessels of the IN were in many cases not faring well against those of the Outworld Coalition. As Imperial authorities investigated the problem, the INHC came under increasing scrutiny and structural changes finally began to be implemented. The IN and IISS were forced to revise their assignments system to insure that better officers were assigned to the INHC, and many of the incompetent members of the commission were allowed to retire, making way for some new blood and fresh perspectives. This has resulted in a better working relationship between the INHC and the IJEB in recent years, as the two organizations have worked together to revamp the fleet, incorporating lessons learned in the Fifth Frontier War into new vessel designs. More importantly, the INHC has extensively revised its classification scheme for the first time in over 50 years. Though it does not correct all of the disparities generated over the past hundred-odd years, this revised classification system (published in 1112) has corrected many of the most glaring. The text of the 1112 publication forms the basis of the discussion that follows.
 
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Cannon checks good, sir! Ooh, that's not what you meant? Then somebody's going to be awful upset at the use of live ammo.......

Seriously, the above looks good for YTU. The only difference from canon (IMHO) would be the idea of a "joint" anything. And, there are two big reasons: nobody talked "joint" or "purple" in the mid '70s, and the Imperium is very Vilani. The AF Academy definition of "Hudson High" (West Point - the US Military Academy) mentions 200+ years of tradition unhindered by progress. They got nothin' on the Vilani! The rest of the things are (IIRC) uncovered by canon.

You have obviously spent time in the acquisitions side of the military, I see.... ;)
 
I found it easier to redesign the Kinunir class to be a cruiser than to find fancy ways to explain a cruiser designation on a 1,250 ton hull. Cruisers run 2-10,000 tons typically IMTU. I designed a 12,500 ton cruiser with bay weapons (2 particle, 6 missile, 2 repulsor), laser and caster turret batteries, 4G MD, J4, a black globe generator and a demi-battalion of drop troops. Designated a colonial cruiser, sometimes, due to it's large size, referred to as a "battle cruiser" by the public. It makes a better colonial cruiser at this displacement, able to employ heavy firepower on surface targets (missiles, casters) and deploy a significant marine assault force. Makes more sense for the hulk of one to be used as an orbital prison at this displacement too (which one was -- can't recall the ships name just off hand). Preserves a good idea and bends canon just a bit. Besides, I like to design ships :)

By the way I like the bureaucratic conflict in your explanation... it just sounds like something an old, or at least mature, star spanning should have...
 
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Cannon checks good, sir! Ooh, that's not what you meant? Then somebody's going to be awful upset at the use of live ammo.......

Good thing I didn't say "sniper check" ...

The only difference from canon (IMHO) would be the idea of a "joint" anything.

Yeah, I'm writing in the jointness IMTU - I hope that service parochialism would be pretty muted by the time of the 3I. There is still interservice rivalry, but IMTU it is pretty mild. I like the joint stuff because it adds flavor and also it allows the PCs a vehicle to plausibly explain some common backstory experiences for characters from different services.

I'm also adding warrant officers back into the rank structure. The only canon source that mentions warrants is (IIRC) the AHL game where some of the crew counters had warrant ranks.

The AF Academy definition of "Hudson High" (West Point - the US Military Academy) mentions 200+ years of tradition unhindered by progress.

At West Point we said the Air Force would be good to have around if they were part of the military. ;)

I found it easier to redesign the Kinunir class to be a cruiser than to find fancy ways to explain a cruiser designation on a 1,250 ton hull. (snip) Preserves a good idea and bends canon just a bit. Besides, I like to design ships :)

Actually, the bit about the Kinunir was an afterthought. This is just the lead in to the classification scheme I'm developing for my own starship designs. Actually I have a ship pretty close to what you described in mind, but it won't be called Kinunir. Since I came up with that bit of fluff I think I'll keep it.

I'll post more of the background section later today to see what you all think. There are more links to canon that I'd like to get out for a check. Thanks for the feedback.
 
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This is the next section of lead-in. I'd appreciate any additional feedback while I flesh out more of the classification system (which was what I originally intended to work on).

Preliminary Discussion of Terminology


Preliminary Naming Conventions: Note that this naming scheme is focused on Imperial entities. It is common (though certainly not universal) for the naval and other space forces of the domains, sectors, and subsectors to follow similar naming conventions, but at the system level there is incredible variance in the naming and classification of space vessels.

Vessels: Although only historians, naval architects, and purists in the fleet will correct the use of the term, referring to a space-faring naval units as a ship is technically incorrect. According to INHC definitions (subsequently codified into IN and IISS regulations), the correct term for a space-faring ship is actually vessel. The INHC definitions reserve the term ship to refer to units of planetary water service forces. For clarity in referring to different vessel types, INHC definitions differentiate between those able to navigate jumpspace (Jumpspace Vessel, abbreviated JV) and those that are not (Space Vessel, or SV). As official designations, JV or SV abbreviations are used as a prefix to a vessel’s name, following the service designation IN (signifying Imperial Navy) or IS (signifying Imperial Scout).

However, official designations as prescribed by the INHC are seldom used except in official orders. In fact, official orders will refer to vessels using their complete official designation, which includes the vessel’s unique hull number (hull numbers will be explained later). In less formal use, the prefix is usually dropped and vessels are referred to by just their vessel name or by a common nickname.

A good example of the many names a vessel can garner is found in the INJV Cowpens, named to commemorate an historic battle on Terra. This vessel is usually referred to as simply the Cowpens while crewmembers often refer to the vessel as the Moo for traditional reasons that are not entirely clear. The vessel has the additional unofficial designation of Deliverer, earned in press releases covering the vessel’s role in the rescue of several noble family members from Dinom (Spinward Marches, 1811) during a revolt in 1106. At the time of the press releases, the Cowpens was a new design and its official name was classified, so reporters applied the deliberately innocuous mission name (Operation Delivery) to the vessel, and this name is still used in some circles in the Spinward Marches today. This is due in part to the tacit involvement of Imperial Public Affairs officers who sought to take advantage of the rather romantic, though somewhat inaccurate, press reports on that particular operation through the bleak beginnings of the Fifth Frontier War when good press was hard to come by. In fact, rumors of the presence of Deliverer in the 214th Fleet were credited as contributing to the Fleet’s rapid success in capturing the “metal” systems from the Sword Worlds in 1109, though the claim is not substantiated by any quantitative documentation.

Craft: The lower limit of hull displacement for the designation vessel is 100 tons (displacement tons, or Td). Below that limit the term craft is used instead. The reasons for this arbitrary division are not entirely clear except that the INHC has consistently applied this distinction for as long as their document history extends and the usage is retained in the current INHC classifications published in 1112. However, the INHC and IJEB have granted recent exceptions for non- jump-capable craft greater than 100 Td designed for intra-fleet missions or planetary assaults. INHC message traffic has stated that the disparity will be addressed in the next update to INHC classification slated for publication in 1125 and until then, exceptions will be considered on a case-by-case basis.

Ships and Boats: As already mentioned, ship is a commonly-used misnomer for vessel. The term boat is also commonly used, and often deliberately mis-used as a term of derision. While boat can be used to refer to craft, INHC definitions specify the latter term for units displacing less than 100 tons. There are two common uses of boat as a derogatory term; first by members of jump-capable vessel crews to refer to non-jump or space vessels, and second by members of the IN to disparage the vessels (and by extension the crews) of the IISS.

The most common use (or better, misuse) of boat to refer to a vessel is to dismiss SVs as somehow inferior to JVs. In fact, SVs are usually superior to JVs of equal tonnage in combat. Jump drives and their fuel take up a large proportion of the available hull space in JVs so SVs use the same space for additional armor, weaponry, and/or maneuver drives and fuel, often giving them an edge over their JV peers. However, the lack of strategic mobility for an SV can be a serious weakness as they do not have the option to flee the system should their fleet be faced with a superior enemy. Even battle riders face a similar weakness as it takes time to dock the rider with the jump tender, time that may not be available to a commander faced with a superior enemy force. As a result, the comparative advantage of an SV over a JV of equal displacement can be negated by superior numbers, tonnage, weaponry, or tactics. Many fleet officers hold strong convictions that one or the other vessel type is superior. Resultant conflict between these partisan groups is usually maintained at a professional level, but sometimes results in more rancorous exchanges.

The second misuse of the term boat to refer to the vessels of the IISS is less common but viewed by many to be more egregious. This usage is a departure from the origin of the insult since IISS vessels are nearly all jump-capable, though IISS vessels are usually small in comparison to IN vessels. Some feel that use of the term came about due to long-standing friction between the two services. One source of friction that may have contributed is derived from circumstances in ports near the fringes of the Imperium caused by, of all things, regulations published by the Imperial Diplomatic Service (IDS). These regulations govern instances where there is no permanent Imperial Representative (ImRep), specifying that the most senior vessel commander in the system will assume the duties of ImRep and assume temporary command authority over all other Imperial entities, except in specific instances such as during wartime. Since IISS vessels are routinely commanded by higher-ranking officers than IN vessels of comparable size (because IISS vessels are on average smaller than IN vessels), this regulation often results in IISS officers giving orders to IN fleet units. These situations are usually only of short duration and the orders are normally innocuous directives about what station to assume in orbit and similar mundane matters. However, some IN officers take offense at any order from the IISS, so these situations often cause friction and sometimes outright hostility between the officers involved. Adding to the perceived insult, senior members of the IDS have stated publicly that they prefer this arrangement, as the diplomats feel IISS officers are more sensitive to host system cultural differences than officers of the IN.
 
That section was too long, so I split it and posted the rest here.

Other Vessel and Craft Designations: Additional designations may apply but will vary based on the ownership of the vessel or craft. For example, Imperial Navy vessels are sometimes referred to as Imperial Majesty’s Ship or IMS (the press reports on the Cowpens mentioned previously referred to the vessel as the IMS Deliverer), although in most areas this usage is considered an anachronism and an indication of someone who is not keeping up with current changes in Naval terminology and tactics. Some sector, subsector, and system naval forces use variations on IMS such as HHSV (His/Her Highness’ Space Vessel) but in as many systems or sectors this usage is also considered dated and will only be noted in use for parody (e.g. a merchant crewman referring to a competitor’s vessel as the IMS Rustbucket) or in maintaining long-standing tradition.

Vessel/Craft Specialization: One final preliminary explanation is necessary before describing the various vessel designations. This covers the design of vessels to either perform one or two specific missions, or to fulfill the requirements of several roles. The development of extremely large vessels (those of 100,000 Td or larger) has enabled designers to create increasingly general-purpose vessels, able to respond to many different situations and serve effectively in a variety of roles. As the size of a vessel’s hull progresses ever smaller from these general-purpose vessels, the progressive decrease in available space usually dictates that a vessel will be designed to serve in an increasingly narrowly-define role, so the vessel becomes more specialized. This trend in specialization is not absolute, but will be evident in the designation tables that follow.
 
Nice work. Provides nice detail and flavour to the Imperial military, and is in keeping with the Vilani-inspired bureaucratic conservatism of the later 3I.

I wouldn't change any of it for MTU, though I'm looking at setting mine back to the early 3I.
 
I don't have that one. Can anyone provide an excerpt?

A couple of quick notes:

1. Colonial vessels tend towards the smaller and lighter end of the spectrum since individual worlds tend not to need extremely large spacecraft. And, many times, the case is that worlds cannot afford to produce the larger craft.

2. Colonial vessels often take part in anti-piracy and patrol operations in conjunction with or instead of Imperial Naval vessels.

3. And, as to the Kinunir class specifically, Grand Fleet says this...



The 1200t Kinunir-class Colonial Cruiser (also termed a Vanguard Cruiser or Battle Cruiser) was originally conceived as a peacekeeper vessel combining heavy armament with a marine contingent for intervention operations. The class was plagued with system faults, and was a failure operationally, too. The class carried too few Marines to make any real difference, but wasted too much tonnage on the Marine force to be an effective warship. The class is being phased out, though a few remain.

However, the concept of a heavy patrol ship remains viable, and in time a new class may emerge to fulfill the patrol/flag-showing role, either solo or as the flagship of a small patroll force.



4. There is about an entire page given to the different types of crusier classes used in the Imperial Navy: Heavy Cruiser, Frontier Cruiser, Strike Cruiser, Missile Cruiser, Rift Cruiser, Light Cruiser, Escort Cruiser, Recon Cruiser, and Interdiction Cruiser.

5. Separated from the larger cruisers are the small cruisers considered Patrol Ships, of which the 12,000t Kinunir-class is relegated. These vessels are small (like the standard design 400t Patrol Cruiser, termed "crusier" because they are equipped for long patrols regardless of their size and weaponry).



There may be more inside of Grand Fleet. It's a dense book. But, that should give you the "excerpt" you were looking for.
 
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