As I'm starting to read Foundation again, I thought perhaps that the Imperium would have done something similiar to avoid another long night. I know that it was mentioned somewhere that some Imperial research stations were doing studies in psychohistory. Might the seed of a 4 Imperium come from such a thing?
Imperium Foundation?
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The 4th Imperium was born in darkness and pain. It was born depsite the enmity of governments and leaders; born of a need among the common people for something better than what was then in existence.
Psychohistory of the sort disparaged by Strephon in Survival Margin, did not create the 4th Imperium. Its creators were the people who wanted to be its citizens, and they made it in their own image.
Psychohistory of the sort disparaged by Strephon in Survival Margin, did not create the 4th Imperium. Its creators were the people who wanted to be its citizens, and they made it in their own image.
Meanwhile at Alston, capital of the Alston League in the heart of the Banners sector the D'Lacy class destroyer escort DE-11 Percival departs the system on a voyage of recontact. Her short term mission to make contact with any other pocket states that survived the great fall. Her long term mission to enter the Solomani Confederation (If any of it still exists) to try and locate a source of parts for all the ex-Solomani ships operated by the League.
trader jim
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now you went and dunnit!!! i gotta re-read FOUNDATION again also (one hell of an outstanding book, all 3)!!!!
The Foundation trilogy was the first SF books I read. Next to Dune I always wanted a very good mini-series based on the trilogy. Hopefully someone will do it.Originally posted by trader jim:
now you went and dunnit!!! i gotta re-read FOUNDATION again also (one hell of an outstanding book, all 3)!!!!
One thing that I have always wondered what would have happened if the Mule character never existed. This leads to the following anecdote:
Back 1989 I was luck enough to meet Isaac Asimov at a convention. After a friendly hello and hand shake, I asked him if he ever considered writing an alternate without the Mule character. He politely said no, but the idea seem to peak his interest.
As a fun mini survey which printing of the Foundation Trilogy does everyone own?
I personnally have the three white paperbacks with the single color cubes depicting various characters of the book. I believe these came out the late 1970s or early 1980s.
The Foundation Books were really great. But at the same time, something kind of bugs me about them.
The idea that scientists with a secret plan can centrally control and run the galaxy irks me a bit. Thanks, but no thanks.
And then in the later books, the only way to save us all is to become a hive mind. Well, thanks, but no thanks again.
The idea that scientists with a secret plan can centrally control and run the galaxy irks me a bit. Thanks, but no thanks.
And then in the later books, the only way to save us all is to become a hive mind. Well, thanks, but no thanks again.
trader jim
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drskull - yes- but the books were HIS vision and the ideas were put there TO bug you!! AND to make you think!!! i am very lucky, i collet si-fi pulps and have the original (pre-paperback) astoundings, the original is slightly different- right now i have dug out the white Signat version.
dog eared and yellow {many good reads out of it}
i lover to PROWEL old book shops - doncha just love the SMELL of old books, iam HOOKED on it!! se now you got me started and i cant stop!! i love to stand in front of a si-fi section and just stare at them, and get lost in them - geeez im spilling my guts - stop it!!!! no smileys this is FAR to serious!! this is my day off - i am heading for a USED book shop - thanx for reminding me of it!!! ill give a full report later!!
dog eared and yellow {many good reads out of it}
i lover to PROWEL old book shops - doncha just love the SMELL of old books, iam HOOKED on it!! se now you got me started and i cant stop!! i love to stand in front of a si-fi section and just stare at them, and get lost in them - geeez im spilling my guts - stop it!!!! no smileys this is FAR to serious!! this is my day off - i am heading for a USED book shop - thanx for reminding me of it!!! ill give a full report later!!
trader jim
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dog eared?? did i say dog eared?? are you listening rabidvargr?? he he --- i just HAD to throw that in!!!! hhhaaa hhaaa hohohoho!!!
woof,woof,woof
woof,woof,woof
When books are at $7.00 each on the shelf, the used book stores are lookin mighty nice. I also like to hit garage sales and flee markets. Offer a guy $5.00 for a box of books, and you can get some good reading. Well, if you cut the junk out. And, dog eared books have more character. You know someone else spent the time to go through it.
Havn't ever got past the first few pages of Foundation. Always got distracted by something else.
Have to try it again.
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In the end, Murphy will rule
Havn't ever got past the first few pages of Foundation. Always got distracted by something else.
Have to try it again.-------------------------------
In the end, Murphy will rule
trader jim
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vegascat - YES<YES<YES
RabidVargr
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Definatly more character. I love hitting used book stores too. Amazon is pretty good too with the used books you can't find. Nothing like getting 5-6 hours of reading for $2.95 instead of 8 bucks. Except maybe baiting TJ.
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The hive mind choice was the result of the Mule, which Seldon(sp) could not have predicted. Both Foundations were starting to evolve into tyrants which did not trust each other; The First was a "Iron Fist in a velvet glove" regime, while the Second was a behind the scenes, social engineering, mind altering, cabal. Eventually a more open, larger, and bloody conflict have arisen where one side's tyranny would succeed in conquering the galaxy, or the Long Night would have possibly lasted longer than the 1000 years Seldon was striving toward, IIRC.
In regards to my idea of an alternate version from the previous posting, IMHO if the plan went as schedule eventually the advance tech of the First Foundation would have merged with the psionic and psychohistory sciences of the Second Foundation. This melding would help in restoring a galactic-wide interstellar civilization.
Hmmm... this almost sounds like a good alternate TNE setting.
I just remembered an old computer listings column by Mike Singleton back in the days when C&VG (Computer & Video Games magazine) used to have listings, I'm talking about the early 80's now folks.
Anyway, he ran a series of articles on a listings project called 'Seldon's Game' which was a crude BASIC implementation of psychohistory straight out of the Foundation series. Somewhere in my archives I have three or four out of the series and they were intriguing reading. Anyone remember them, or even have the complete set? Sheesh, I guess I could always try to get a hold of Mike.....
Anyway, he ran a series of articles on a listings project called 'Seldon's Game' which was a crude BASIC implementation of psychohistory straight out of the Foundation series. Somewhere in my archives I have three or four out of the series and they were intriguing reading. Anyone remember them, or even have the complete set? Sheesh, I guess I could always try to get a hold of Mike.....
Whilst not Foundation exactly, the Third Imperium did set up high tech caches to speed up the recovery from any future Long Night. Can't remember the name of the project.[/QUOTE]
The project was called JumpStart, there's a discussion of it ad what it might mean going on over on TNE-RCES mailing list right at this moment, grab it by getting all the messages with 'Jumpstart' in the thread. A guy on the list called Nick has been posting sample Jumpstart caches, what they might contain, their likely fates, bits of history etc. Very moorish.
