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Ok for a detailed treatment of this topic see . . .
http://www.freelancetraveller.com/features/science/tmed/med7.html

I am looking to simplify things for game reasons. CT style.

The medical kit in LBB3 is introduced at TL7 and weighs 10kg so it could be the size of a smallish 20” carry-on suitcase or large gym bag that can be stowed in a ship’s locker

By TL-12 what is in it?
Fast Drug
Slow Drug
Broad Spectrum Antibiotic
Broad Spectrum Anti-viral
Broad Spectrum Anti-microbial
T cell booster
“universal” artificial blood (powdered?)
Vitals monitor (HR, BP, Respiration, Oxygen sat.,EEG)
Handheld MRI
AED unit
Basic surgical tools(?)
Oxygen compressor and mask.
Bandages and wound care stuff
Sterile gloves, masks
Very bright portable light
 
KG,

Good question...

- Fast and slow drugs certainly. Adjusting metabolisms; especially slowing them as Fast does, can be of great help in handling some cases until you can get the fellow to real medical help. The 60-1 ratio would extend the 'Golden Hour' combat medics and EMTs talk about to nearly 3 days!

- I'd think by TL12, antibiotics, antivirals, and the like will have combined.

- Your 'T-cell' or immune system booster is a good idea. Although it may not work with Fast or Slow.

- Vital monitors will be tiny things like microdots linked to a display elsewhere.

- Surgical tools and the like should be in there but their presence will be awful tempting to those who really shouldn't use them!

One thing I'd think would be included is an 'expert system'. You enter by keys or voice the patient's symptoms and the device walks you through how to stabilize them. The device would also take input from the vitals monitors.

The back-up to the 'expert system' (think Blackberry with voice recognition and files on dozens of species) will be a book. I still have my Boy Scout and Red Cross First Aid Guides.

Another likely device is an 'auto injector' for IVs. IVs are very useful; especially for the delivery of major drugs and plasma/blood. Setting up IVs is tough. My mother, a nurse with 40+ years, can tell you about other long-time nurse who can't set up IVs. Having a device that wraps around an arm or leg and sets up an IV path would be nifty. The medic can then simply plug in whatever drugs and fluids are required into the auto injector, tell it how much and how often, and let it do the work.

Of course, this all is what should be in a kit. It doesn't mean that it will be there!


Have fun,
Bill
 
From Bill Cameron
Another likely device is an 'auto injector' for IVs. IVs are very useful; especially for the delivery of major drugs and plasma/blood. Setting up IVs is tough. My mother, a nurse with 40+ years, can tell you about other long-time nurse who can't set up IVs. Having a device that wraps around an arm or leg and sets up an IV path would be nifty. The medic can then simply plug in whatever drugs and fluids are required into the auto injector, tell it how much and how often, and let it do the work.
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From my last surgery I got roughly a half dozen IV sticks in both arms and I think a couple in my left leg. Getting something in ONE TIME would be a great moral booster for both medico and patiants.
 
The auto injector is a cool idea. An armband with a few (3-4?) slots for inserting the drug cartridges and a little touch screen for programming it.

We still want the Big Needle for heart restarting and stuff. “Emergency Resuscitator” injections would be big, individually wrapped with a little “incase of death . . .” instructions on the side.
Surgical tools would be wrapped in their own little mini case with a “use by trained medics only” label on the side.

Bill, I can see people raiding the kit for single items and not putting new items back. Could be funny. Or how about dead batteries?
 
Originally posted by Kurega Gikur:
The auto injector is a cool idea. An armband with a few (3-4?) slots for inserting the drug cartridges and a little touch screen for programming it.
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Kurega,

Yeah, I was picturing a box about the size of a deck of playing card held in place on an arm, hand, or leg by various means; tape, strap, something 57th Century-ish like electric skin glue. The box would then numb the area and set-up an IV using sensors like Andrew's VeinVeiwer. The device would have a couple 'locks' into which you could then either a couple plug ampules(?) of drugs or IV bags.

IVs are tough, even with 'easy' veins some people never develop the knack.

We still want the Big Needle for heart restarting and stuff. “Emergency Resuscitator” injections would be big, individually wrapped with a little “incase of death . . .”
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Yup. Ever see the military's atropine injectors? You're supposed to use them in case of a gas attack. About the size of a penlight, you jab them against a thigh and they ram a BIG spring loaded needle DEEP into the muscle.

Surgical tools would be wrapped in their own little mini case with a “use by trained medics only” label on the side.
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Which folks could then ignore for lots of Role-Playing fun!

Or how about dead batteries?
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Oh yes! Although many things may be self-charging. T4 had an example of all your pocket toys; phone, watch, etc. being charged on the bedside table while you slept. Still, raided for supplies, old supplies, broken, dead batteries, drug allergies, all sorts of fun can bew had!


Have fun,
Bill
 
Originally posted by plop101:
From my last surgery I got roughly a half dozen IV sticks in both arms and I think a couple in my left leg. Getting something in ONE TIME would be a great moral booster for both medico and patiants.
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As one of his Great TML Ship Rodeo cohorts, lemme tell ya' pardners, ol' Dan 'Red River' Roseberry - whom ya'll know as plop101 - is one tough hombre! That's fer damn certain!


Yeehaw!
Larsen E. 'Calico Jack' Whipsnade
 
"Yup. Ever see the military's atropine injectors? You're supposed to use them in case of a gas attack. About the size of a penlight, you jab them against a thigh and they ram a BIG spring loaded needle DEEP into the muscle."

Ow. Does that qualify you for a PH? :)
 
Andrew,

If the choice is between a PH and a toe tag, I'll take the PH thank very much!

I saw one demonstrated. The 'spike'; the word needle doesn't do it justice, is pinkie length. The instructor 'fired' one into a block of plastic and everyone jumped about a foot in the air.

I don't know their success rate vs. nerve gas exposure, but I'm glad there was something available even if it may have been more of a placebo than a cure.


Have fun,
Bill
 
Medical Kit TL-12, 10kg
The General Products TL-12 Medical Kit comes sealed in a bright 20" red bag with a medical symbol on it and glow in the dark stripe. All equipment is vacuum rated and the case itself is airtight ballistic cloth.
In a ship without a sickbay this bag is most commonly located in the ship’s locker

Equipment
Sealed Field Surgical kit labeled “Qualified Med3+ Users Only”

Medic1&2
One bright light with small stand
Major Wound Closure Aerosol Foam
Coagulation Bandages
Antiseptic wipes
Polygolves
Emergency Resuscitator needle
(contains a special version of the Slow Drug with a cardio-stimulator)
Large bone fuser cast (takes 2D days to heal a broken bone)
Small bone fuser cast
Syringe
Armband Auto injector with three drug receptacles (Medicomputer networked)

Medicomputer (treat as +1)
Handheld Gravitc Resonance Medical Imager with imaging wand.

Vitals monitors two for head two for chest (HR, BP, Respiration, Oxygen sat.,EEG) with built in AED

Surgical pain neuro-blocker (fits on spine above injured area and blocks pain signals)

Respirator/compressor mask

Pack of five toe tags :eek:

Drugs
3 doses “Septicx” broad spectrum antibiotic/viral/microbial
3 doses T cell booster
1 Doses Medical Fast Drug
3 Doses broad spectrum Antitoxin
3 Doses surgical pain killer
3 Doses anti-psychotic drug
Powered artificial blood (2 liters mixed)
(Edited based on suggestions 1/6/05)
 
Kurega,

Looks real good!

How about a dozen or so doses of each drug? Shouldn't take up that much room in a properly stocked kit.

Even the dessicated blood products; plasma, platelets, you later reconstitute shouldn't take up that much room beforehand. Maybe enough to mix up 2-3 liters?

Loved the link you posted... shudder


Hve fun,
Bill
 
Trouble is the kit only costs Cr1000 and the Fast drug alone retails for Cr2000.
(salesman for G.P. steps up)

Well if you feel that you might want more doses than might I interest you in the Deluxe version. For a modest increase in price it comes with multiple doses. ;)

You are right. At higher TLs the same drug would be less expensive.
 
Kurega,

D'oh! I forgot about the cost!

I forgot about CT's TL = starport rating link earlier today while 'helping' Jame in another thread.

Some help I am!

Tell you what, take out Slow and Fast altogether. They're listed spearately in CT equipment lists anyway. I have a slight memory concerning a medical fast and medical slow drug from MT. I wonder what dose costs are for those?


Have fun,
Bill
 
If its airtight, then you can use it as a pillow! Cool!

Also, I think you need three vitals monitors - you need two spots on the chest if you want a defibrillator.
 
If its airtight, then you can use it as a pillow! Cool!

In the even of a water landing it may also be used as a flotation device. ;)
 
I don't think most folks will have trouble getting sand in their wounds. Most medics spend their time trying to get out, as a matter of fact.
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This stuff, though, is kinda interesting. I wonder if they have any problems with it causing clots that travel through the bloodstream and cause aneurisms/heart attacks/etc.?
 
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