Missile Bays?
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I'm sure that every turret and bay is different. Some missile racks might be configured to fire a single torpedo (a couple tons in mass) while others fire swarms of missiles.
I don't know where I read it, but I think missile racks have the ability to have three missiles loaded. I think it was in one of the Epice Adventures. A Type S is fitted with a missile turret but it doesn't have a magazine, so it has a grand total of 3 missiles that are loaded in the racks.
I always assumed this could be used to rapid fire all three missiles. But really, I don't know if there's an answer in the THB.
I don't know where I read it, but I think missile racks have the ability to have three missiles loaded. I think it was in one of the Epice Adventures. A Type S is fitted with a missile turret but it doesn't have a magazine, so it has a grand total of 3 missiles that are loaded in the racks.
I always assumed this could be used to rapid fire all three missiles. But really, I don't know if there's an answer in the THB.
I am not sure of the official rules for T20. In CT 3 turret missile launchers fit in a 1 dTon turret, so the upper limit would be 150 turret missiles (3 launchers/dTon x 50 dTons). A turret launcher in CT has 1 missile in the launch position and 3 in the stand-by rack. On the other hand, Bay missiles are usually assumed to be larger than turret missiles.
In that case what size are the torpedoes?
I use 50 missiles in the small bay and 100 in the large bay, with equivalent sized torpedoes (2 and 4 dTon respectively, stored in 2.5 or 5 dTon racks). Those number mesh nicely with launch facilities, a 100 dTon launch facility can launch 4 dTon vessels.
50 and 100 are also used in TA7.
There is a note on page 271 of the THB about internal storage of missiles/sand inside turrets. The type S with a triple turret can have up to 12 missiles in the turret (3 ready to fire, 9 internal in the turret magazine).
In that case what size are the torpedoes?</font>[/QUOTE]I can only be of limited help on this issue. I know nothing of the T20 official ruling on this, but I have the following information from Classic Traveller that is the first official data on missile sizes from Marc Miller:
[the following data is the property of Far Future Enterprises and is used under the terms of their Fair Use Agreement - or something like that]
It is clear on turret missile sizes but non-specific on bay missile sizes. "Torpedoes" is not a Classic Traveller term, so I cannot help you with that.
Good luck.
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Malenfant
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Well looking them up in the dictionary, a torpedo is basically a missile that is only used in water. Blame Star Trek/Star Wars for confusing people.
In a space context, it's basically down to how you want to define it. Personally I'd say that a missile was a powered projectile with some degree of intelligence or independent manoeuverability (ie it can home in on targets, be controlled remotely etc) - whereas a torpedo is a powered projectile that is basically dumb, you fire it and it just goes in a straight line to its target (so it's only really useful against stationary objects).
Or it could just be a size thing - missiles have a small payload, torpedos have a bigger one.
Border Reiver
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I vote size.
I found more data on Classic Traveller missiles in Striker. The following are from the rules for converting High Guard ships and weapons to Striker.
[the following data is the property of Far Future Enterprises and is used under the terms of their Fair Use Agreement - or something like that]
[the following data is the property of Far Future Enterprises and is used under the terms of their Fair Use Agreement - or something like that]
Hope that helps.
BetterThanLife
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We have had this conversation several times already.
Number of missiles in a Bay "Battery Round" is poorly defined.
It appears to be (based on TA7) 50 missiles for a 50 ton bay and 100 missiles for a 100 ton bay. (The same numbers as MT.) They also appear, as in MT, to be the same missiles as the Turrets use (Though there is a huge disparity in missile size between MT and T20.).
This definition does not necessarily make sense, especially with the way the factors work, but it is the best available data I have seen for T20.
It appears to be (based on TA7) 50 missiles for a 50 ton bay and 100 missiles for a 100 ton bay. (The same numbers as MT.) They also appear, as in MT, to be the same missiles as the Turrets use (Though there is a huge disparity in missile size between MT and T20.).
This definition does not necessarily make sense, especially with the way the factors work, but it is the best available data I have seen for T20.
BetterThanLife
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Sure it is, Adventure 4 Leviathan page 35.
They fit in the same launcher as a standard missile.
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Malenfant
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From what I understand, Leviathan is one big continuity error in terms of Traveller canon.
BetterThanLife
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But of course it is. But someone stated that there was no CT reference to Torpedoes.
BetterThanLife
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There you have it, all torpedoes are 100 dTons (the smallest size able to mount a jump drive).
Wait till I break the news to the gunner of my Free Trader that he has to manually load twelve 100 dTon torpedoes in a 1 dTon turret.
</font>[/QUOTE]And they fit in a standard Missile launcher. So missiles are 100 tons each.
The truely sad part is that after:
*Classic Traveller,
*MegaTraveller
*Traveller: The New Era
*Marc Miller's Traveller
*Gurps Traveller
*T20: Traveller
A new player still has to ask about the size difference between a turret missile and a bay missile. And WE still can't give a simple coherent answer to the question.
TO THOSE WORKING ON T5: PLEASE TAKE NOTE AND INCLUDE A SIMPLE, DIRECT ANSWER TO THIS BASIC QUESTION FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF NEW PLAYERS!
{note, I was not shouting at anyone, I just wanted to be heard in the other forums and didn't know how far sound travels in cyberspace.}
*Classic Traveller,
*MegaTraveller
*Traveller: The New Era
*Marc Miller's Traveller
*Gurps Traveller
*T20: Traveller
A new player still has to ask about the size difference between a turret missile and a bay missile. And WE still can't give a simple coherent answer to the question.
TO THOSE WORKING ON T5: PLEASE TAKE NOTE AND INCLUDE A SIMPLE, DIRECT ANSWER TO THIS BASIC QUESTION FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF NEW PLAYERS!
{note, I was not shouting at anyone, I just wanted to be heard in the other forums and didn't know how far sound travels in cyberspace.}
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Malenfant
Guest
And you know what, T5 will just add one more to the list, because it's not like people will just forget everything that came before...
BetterThanLife
SOC-14 1K
Actually it is defined in MT. Quite well and succinctly. Missiles are the same standard size, whether bay or turret. There are 50 missiles in a 50 ton Bay launch and 100 missiles in a 100 ton bay launch. Missile size is .01 tons.Originally posted by atpollard:
The truely sad part is that after:
*Classic Traveller,
*MegaTraveller
*Traveller: The New Era
*Marc Miller's Traveller
*Gurps Traveller
*T20: Traveller
A new player still has to ask about the size difference between a turret missile and a bay missile. And WE still can't give a simple coherent answer to the question.
TO THOSE WORKING ON T5: PLEASE TAKE NOTE AND INCLUDE A SIMPLE, DIRECT ANSWER TO THIS BASIC QUESTION FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF NEW PLAYERS!
{note, I was not shouting at anyone, I just wanted to be heard in the other forums and didn't know how far sound travels in cyberspace.}
(For comparison the T20 the standard missile size is .05 tons.)
