Question on volume versus size

[DaveChase]

Doing some old CT book playing and I am having a brain fart of sorts.

How many V liters to a ton? (Speaking of a ships ton of space)

How do I figure V liters to a container size or how many V liters a container has?

I can not find my notes nor can I find my handy-dandy conversion papers that I always kept from the military (which means they aren't as handy as they use to be since I can't find them )

I remember that an average human is about 200 V Liters, (I think).

Thanks

Dave Chase

 

[Dragoner]

14,000.

HG2 ton is 14 cubic meters, and a cubic meter is 1000 liters.

 

[DaveChase]

Thanks, I thought it was, but I honestly could not swear to it.

Dave Chase

 

[Hyphen]

How do I figure V liters to a container size or how many V liters a container has?
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I remember that an average human is about 200 V Liters, (I think).

Only a very large human. Metric deliberately sets 1 litre of water = 1 kilogram - therefore 1 millilitre (ml) = 1 cubic centimetre (cc) = 1 gram (g).

The human body is about as dense as water, so if you were *ahem* 92 kg you take up about 92 litres.

Standard cargo containers are 54 kilolitres (54,000 litres) aka 4 displacement tons:
http://members.tip.net.au/~davidjw/tavspecs/maint/trade/StdCargoContainers.htm

 

[DaveChase]

Only a very large human. Metric deliberately sets 1 litre of water = 1 kilogram - therefore 1 millilitre (ml) = 1 cubic centimetre (cc) = 1 gram (g).

The human body is about as dense as water, so if you were *ahem* 92 kg you take up about 92 litres.

...

Well, that would be true if the human body was efficient in it's use of that space, but since the limbs and odd ball head not to mention those big feet, it takes up more space.

Maybe I am think that a human needs 200 V liters of space for sleeping or cold berthing.

Drats, I wish, I could find my notes or sheets from 20 years back. I had all the figures and simple drawings already done.

Thanks though

Dave Chase

 

[Hyphen]

Here's the MT figures for _vehicles_:

Crew Positions
Access Pwr Vol. Wt Price
None -- 1.0 0.02 100
Cramped -- 2.0 0.02 100
Adequate -- 3.0 0.02 100
Roomy -- 4.0 0.02 100

I assume "none" means "like being stuffed into a Mercury capsule like a china doll in styrofoam". (I've just been re-reading "The Right Stuff". )

 

[mike wightman]

Isn't the 200 figure from T20?

 

[DaveChase]

Ha, ha, I found it. Well in a Traveller book, I still haven't found my notes yet.

LBB 8 pg 22

1 square meter = 1000 liters


Thanks for the information when I asked, I needed it then. But, yeah, I found it in the books again.

Dave Chase

 

[aramis]

Ha, ha, I found it. Well in a Traveller book, I still haven't found my notes yet.

LBB 8 pg 22

1 square meter = 1000 liters


Thanks for the information when I asked, I needed it then. But, yeah, I found it in the books again.

Dave Chase

No, 1 square meter = 100 square decimeters or 10000 square centimeters.

1 cubic meter = 1000 liters (and 1 liter is 1 cubic decimeter)

 

[DaveChase]

No, 1 square meter = 100 square decimeters or 10000 square centimeters.

1 cubic meter = 1000 liters (and 1 liter is 1 cubic decimeter)

Drats, I posted that wrong. Thanks for making the correction.

1 meter (superscript) 3 = 1000 liters.



Dave Chase

 

[McPerth]

Here's the MT figures for _vehicles_:

Crew Positions
Access Pwr Vol. Wt Price
None -- 1.0 0.02 100
Cramped -- 2.0 0.02 100
Adequate -- 3.0 0.02 100
Roomy -- 4.0 0.02 100

I assume "none" means "like being stuffed into a Mercury capsule like a china doll in styrofoam". (I've just been re-reading "The Right Stuff". )

Personally, IMTU, the seat added (in MT) 100 kg when occupied (people weights too, and MT doesn't feature it). This affected (sometiems significantly) the performance for grav vehicles. I also didn't allow people with enclosed armor (vacc suits, unless tailored, Combat Armor or Battledress) in cramped seats.

About the minimal space for a person, when counting how much people has been on a demonstration, they calculate about 4 people per square meter. If we assume about 2.5 meters ceiling, there would be about 5.6 square meters per dton (5.4 in MT), so we could assume about 22 persons could stay (standing) per dton with some confortability. Of course, more can be there if crowded (think on the Tube at rush hour).

 

[Hyphen]

Of course, more can be there if crowded (think on the Tube at rush hour).

Reminds me of the lifts at work. A few weeks ago, it was crowded with 8 people. I said to a colleague, "Just think, the sign says Max Capacity is 20 people - HOW exactly??!"

 

[rancke]

Reminds me of the lifts at work. A few weeks ago, it was crowded with 8 people. I said to a colleague, "Just think, the sign says Max Capacity is 20 people - HOW exactly??!"

10 in front and 10 in the back.


Hans

 

[HiverLord]

Reminds me of the lifts at work. A few weeks ago, it was crowded with 8 people. I said to a colleague, "Just think, the sign says Max Capacity is 20 people - HOW exactly??!"

Piggyback, perhaps?