Stórdagirev MKS.87 (Medium Cavalry Fighting Vehicle)

[Meteoric Assault]

I built this AFV using the Joe Mauloni's - CT (keep it simple stupid) rules, which I like very very much. It is a hybrid of the 'Book 10' Ordinance and Armory + Vehicles and with some first hand knowledge ( 60 mm mortar blast radius and kill zones). Correction the Cargo space for Crew and dismounts is 400Kg, not 2000kg.

I am happy to answer any questions... also the graphic of the vehicle is a WIP. Under these rules its about a 60 ton Medium Tank, 'Merkava Inspired' and weighs about 5 tons less.
Joe's Supplemental rules which dove tail into Book 4 nicely.
Vehicles
Applied Force Rules

 

[Meteoric Assault]

Updated

I reposted the OP with the graphics. I went graphics lite after seeing the mess is played with grey scale printing.

 

[atpollard]

Can you lighten the grey on the form background to match the background grey in the picture?

The current grey is almost dark enough to warrant white text.

Old eyes (and OCR software) like high contrast between text and background.

 

[Meteoric Assault]

Okay, just a sec

 

[wbyrd]

about the only suggestion I could make is making the mortar a bit heavier, if a heavier mortar is available.

60mm mortars are pretty light for a vehicle mounted gun.

 

[Meteoric Assault]

about the only suggestion I could make is making the mortar a bit heavier, if a heavier mortar is available.

60mm mortars are pretty light for a vehicle mounted gun.

Space requirements..

I know all about mortars trust me. 60mm does exactly what it is supposed do. An 81m or 120mm would be more of an Indirect Fire Platform. I still have an APC and Fires Vehicle to build.

 

[Meteoric Assault]

about the only suggestion I could make is making the mortar a bit heavier, if a heavier mortar is available.

60mm mortars are pretty light for a vehicle mounted gun.

There are some historical examples I would ask you consider: The Eland-60, Ratel 60, also the Merkava (which I drew inspiration from has a 60mm mortar to give IDF Indirect Fire support) . Like you have stated 60mm is light, no disagreement there. However I ask you to consider that in highly mobile cavalry style warfare that a medium AFV primary role is the scouting and seizing terrain with force role. I opine that the 60mm is mainly used to support the dismounted section... to clear dead spaces that a DF weapon system will have difficulty clearing for pesky TAC -missile teams and or infantry that have gone to ground (using cover).

 

[wbyrd]

There are some historical examples I would ask you consider: The Eland-60, Ratel 60, also the Merkava (which I drew inspiration from has a 60mm mortar to give IDF Indirect Fire support) . Like you have stated 60mm is light, no disagreement there. However I ask you to consider that in highly mobile cavalry style warfare that a medium AFV primary role is the scouting and seizing terrain with force role. I opine that the 60mm is mainly used to support the dismounted section... to clear dead spaces that a DF weapon system will have difficulty clearing for pesky TAC -missile teams and or infantry that have gone to ground (using cover).

Fair enough, all valid points It was just a suggestion. But i can see that you put some thought into the selection (other than space)

I do quite like the idea of adding the mortar to the design. The added flexibility makes the vehicle more valuable.

I have seen specs on the vehicles you mentioned. Damned useful for scouting, and rapid movement to support infantry. In general a mortar of any size is pretty effective against infantry and unarmored vehicles.

about the only reason I would up-gun would be to deal with structures, and dug in positions..but if it's mostly for impromptu fire support, or missile team suppression, 60mm is a good choice

the big ones can really rearrange real estate.....My uncle had scars from a house that was relocated by a heavy Russian mortar at one pint..not shrapnel from the shell, bits of the house that got hit.

o the other hand my nephew had a chance to see a smaler weapon in action when his construction unit came under fire from an Iraqi technical..a 12.7 mm machine gun on a Toyota pickup...

a "dinky" ( by artillery standards)40mm grenade launcher reduced the truck and its crew to bits...Ive seen the pics..I will never doubt what a long burst from any automatic mortar or GL can do again.

 

[Meteoric Assault]

Fair enough, all valid points It was just a suggestion. But i can see that you put some thought into the selection (other than space)

I do quite like the idea of adding the mortar to the design. The added flexibility makes the vehicle more valuable.

I have seen specs on the vehicles you mentioned. Damned useful for scouting, and rapid movement to support infantry. In general a mortar of any size is pretty effective against infantry and unarmored vehicles.

about the only reason I would up-gun would be to deal with structures, and dug in positions..but if it's mostly for impromptu fire support, or missile team suppression, 60mm is a good choice

the big ones can really rearrange real estate.....My uncle had scars from a house that was relocated by a heavy Russian mortar at one pint..not shrapnel from the shell, bits of the house that got hit.

o the other hand my nephew had a chance to see a smaler weapon in action when his construction unit came under fire from an Iraqi technical..a 12.7 mm machine gun on a Toyota pickup...

a "dinky" ( by artillery standards)40mm grenade launcher reduced the truck and its crew to bits...Ive seen the pics..I will never doubt what a long burst from any automatic mortar or GL can do again.

I understand your suggestion and I see you have a good working knowledge.

I ask you to think of what white phosphorus can do as an area detail weapon. ... 120mm mortars are 155mm with shorter range. 81mm are great against infantry caught in the open... there are now in RL laser guided mortar rounds .... imagine the precision...

I feel your relatives misfortune... I had my own experiences that are similar...and came home with visible and invisible scars. I thank them for their service.

 

[wbyrd]

I understand your suggestion and I see you have a good working knowledge.

I ask you to think of what white phosphorus can do as an area detail weapon. ... 120mm mortars are 155mm with shorter range. 81mm are great against infantry caught in the open... there are now in RL laser guided mortar rounds .... imagine the precision...

i tend to get as much info from friends, and acquaintances who have experienced incoming fire.... other than the few bullets I have had the displeasure of hearing going past me.

The way none of them have any trouble remembering what mortar fire is like is impressive... heck, just watching live fire demonstrations was impressive.

WP is NASTY...I'd rather not think of what it can do. My uncle was in Vietnam and described the effect of "Willy Pete" on anyone who had the sheer bad luck to be in the area....it's not only a physical weapon the psychological effect is mind blowing...as far as I am concerned they can just take that weapon and toss it in a well somewhere.

the 120 has a massive area suppression ability. But the ammo is pretty bulky I'd only use it on purpose built mortar carriers, or assault guns.

I first read about guided mortar rounds way back when. a British round called the Merlin. being able to target a structure or vehicle with a 81 mm round is a scary concept. Especially if it happens to be packing an explosively formed projectile.

the thin top armor of a tank, or a light structure, wouldn't stand a chance against that sort of projectile. Or use an airbusrt fragmentation round for infantry and you get a lethal precision weapon that only needs one man with a designator to expose himself to return fire.....

put that mortar on a armored vehicle, that can withstand counter battery fire and it's a bad day for anyone without some form of hard cover.

 

[Meteoric Assault]

i tend to get as much info from friends, and acquaintances who have experienced incoming fire.... other than the few bullets I have had the displeasure of hearing going past me.

The way none of them have any trouble remembering what mortar fire is like is impressive... heck, just watching live fire demonstrations was impressive.

WP is NASTY...I'd rather not think of what it can do. My uncle was in Vietnam and described the effect of "Willy Pete" on anyone who had the sheer bad luck to be in the area....it's not only a physical weapon the psychological effect is mind blowing...as far as I am concerned they can just take that weapon and toss it in a well somewhere.

the 120 has a massive area suppression ability. But the ammo is pretty bulky I'd only use it on purpose built mortar carriers, or assault guns.

I first read about guided mortar rounds way back when. a British round called the Merlin. being able to target a structure or vehicle with a 81 mm round is a scary concept. Especially if it happens to be packing an explosively formed projectile.

the thin top armor of a tank, or a light structure, wouldn't stand a chance against that sort of projectile. Or use an airbusrt fragmentation round for infantry and you get a lethal precision weapon that only needs one man with a designator to expose himself to return fire.....

put that mortar on a armored vehicle, that can withstand counter battery fire and it's a bad day for anyone without some form of hard cover.

How about fast moving, gyrostabilized, computer target assisted-laser guided plasma or HE rounds (delayed, airburst, and impact as detonation capabilities)?

 

[wbyrd]

How about fast moving, gyrostabilized, computer target assisted-laser guided plasma or HE rounds (delayed, airburst, and impact as detonation capabilities)?

and you wonder why they invented battle dress....scary thing is in RL were a decade away from systems like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5wE1HEtSLQ

combine that with a metal storm type system, mounted on an armored chassis. say mounted like the old Calliope, or Katyusha systems on tanks..or in verticle launch tubes on the sides, or rear deck of a tank...

a weapons systems like that would make it lethal for anyone without some sort of heavy armor an endangered species.

current weapons are already making it very dangerous for individuals to expose themselves. a precision guided salvo of 60 or 81 mm mortar rounds directed on target by forward observers would shred any infantry unit caught in the open and flatten wooden, or brick structures.

the sort of systems that allow rapid precision mortar fire would spur development of better armor, and a wide variety of systems to shoot down incoming rounds. And other systems and jam personal, and tactical communication to make coordinated fire by multiple units harder.

and no magic super tech involved, just systems available in the next 10 or 15 years....geesh....glad this is a purely fictional weapon progression were talking about...for now.