State Rooms

[jhulse]

I don't get much time anymore to visit and take part in a lot of the discussions. My work has been overwhelming me for the past few months. So if this is an old question, please forgive...
I have most of the GURPS Traveler books and a lot of the CT books. I downloaded the T20 lite this past summer and have been waiting to buy the 2nd printing of T20. We all know that a stateroom is 4 tons, (8 squares or spaces) if you use the standard grid where one "square" = 1.5m x 1.5m (5' x 5' in GURPS). Virtually every stateroom shown in all of the CT deck plans only have 6 square, making them only 3 tons. In GURPS, the rules state that 50% of the stateroom is taken up in common spaces and corridors. But that would make each "real" stateroom only 4 tons (4 squares). This is a room approximately 10' x 10' GURPS or 3 meters x 3 meters in all other game systems. Included in these rooms are "by GURPS rules" are a fresher, kitchenette, closet, etc... with enough room left over for two bunks work space, entertainment center etc...
My question is, how does T20 define a stateroom, it's actual "real" size, and the requirements for common areas, galleys, etc...? Is each state room really 4 tons plus additional space for corridors, gallies, and the rest, or is each 4 ton stateroom "whittled down" to create the other common areas?
Sorry for the long post.

P.S. I'm an architect who has designed several versions of full 4 ton staterooms and ships many years ago. When I have time, I would like to convert them to CAD and post them for discussion and comment.
Thanks for any responses.
Jaknaz

 

[Spinward Scout]

Hmmmmm, CAD deckplans. Must have... Wish I could help with your problem, but I loaned out my T20 to one of my players.

Scout

 

[GypsyComet]

The only problem with CADD deckplans is the inevitable one of "standard" formats: there are none. Even the formats in use by (and created by) AutoDesk for AutoCADD change from revision to revision.

I tend to output to GIF files for public consumption for this reason.

 

[far-trader]

Hi Jak,

I always get a grin outta that salutation though it's one of those very unfunny one's when for real, anyway I digress even before getting into the answer this time. It's because I've been away from the boards for a couple days and missed it sorely, especially what with all the posts to catch up on. OK already, time to post some help and spout upon the soapbox

Well in point of fact every stateroom has always been 4T, 8 1.5m squares (3.0m high) as you say BUT that has always been about half for the actual 'cabin' and half for all the common spaces (access corridors, galley, recreation, dining, etc.).

OK, that might not be a hundred percent accurate as I seem to recall an old official deckplan for the Type S that had 4T for each stateroom itself. But as of the CT BBB at least the above was supposed to be the way.

The fact that most 'official' deckplans seem to use 3T for the 'cabin' part could be forgiven by the 20% overage guideline allowed for deckplans, if they then treated the rest of the ship as much tighter.

T20 lists the 'cabin' part being 2.5T and including a fresher, with the remaining 1.5T being the common spaces (1.0T) and life support (0.5T).

I haven't actually tried to make this system work out for any deckplans yet, I'll probably stick to my old 2.0T for the 'cabin' and 2.0T for all the common spaces. It works and I know it. I manage to fit a bunk, a fresher and a desk in that. I figure the fresher has very rudimentary recycled food services (liquids and pastes, with or without flavor, hot or cold).

I think I have an example posted on the traveller deckplans yahoo group (though it needs some keying and is a bit rough), a variation of one of the Baron's designs. There is I think a description posted (do a search for far-trader there). There is also an old CT thing I did up and posted there or on the CT (classic traveller) yahoo group, after it was posted to the TML and I was asked to copy it there. It outlines my then formula for standardizing and accurizing (?) deckplans. If you're interested. Or if you can't find them I can hunt them up once I'm back in port.

Dan "far-trader" Burns

(one more post to go the other part of the reason for my brief sabbatical)

 

[jhulse]

I have been considering three basic sizes of staterooms.
1) High passage passengers.
These state rooms are the full 4 tons (8 spaces). They have full sized bathrooms with separate showers (two person) toilet, sink, etc. with 3 tons of space left over for living quarters. Think of it as a nice hotel room.

2 )Middle passage passengers.
These state rooms are the sizes that are shown on a lot of the original and current deck plans. They consist of three tons (6 spaces) and have a small fresher. Basically a smaller less opulent version of the high stateroom. This will be the most common stateroom found in most ships.

3) Low passage / working passage
Not to be confused with low birth, these state rooms consist of 2 tons (4 spaces) and have no fresher. In stead passengers must use the public facilities located in the common areas. These are akin to cabins in a ferry ship or train. There is just enough room for two bunks and small work station/table/entertainment center. These are used primarily by crew, or "stearage" passangers working their way from system to system.

The idea is that higher class passengers have more personal room for relaxation and privacy where as the lesser classes are forced in some cases to use the public facilities. What ever the case the "spreading" of floor space of staterooms to include public spaces can still apply. It's just that the rich passengers won't have to be force to mix with the "rabble".
Perhaps one can designate 25% more space for high passenger lounges.
The rules have always been vague. In the world of architecture, hard rules apply. For each person in a building, you must allow "x" square footage for restrooms, public areas, etc...
Maybe one day I can come up with a chart for ship functions that is easy to understand and logical.
Back to the deadlines...
Cheers.
Jaknaz