T5.09 p200 - GunMaker "Samples"

[robject]

I Propose

...that the "GunMaker Output Samples" be replaced by a useful gun and armor list, for example recreated from CT or MT.

There are 27 guns listed, and 18 pieces of armor. I'll number them, and we'll figure out which ones to replace.

GunMaker Examples

1.  P-5     Pistol-5             R=2 Bullet-1
2.  Re-4    Revolver-4           R=2 Bullet-1
3.  C-5     Carbine-5            R=4 Bullet-1
4.  XC-3    Exp Carbine-3        R=3 Bullet-1
5.  PC-6    Dart Carbine-6       R=4 Poison-1 Bullet-1
6.  R-5     Rifle-5              R=5 Bullet-2
7.  PR-4    Proto Rifle-4        R=4 Bullet-2
8.  XR-3    Exp Rifle-3          R=4 Bullet-2
9.  SR-5    Survival Rifle-5     R=2 Bullet-3
10. Mg-6    Machinegun-6         R=5 Bullet-4
11. aCT-9   AutoCannon Turret-9  R=6 Pen-5
12. ESMg-4  Early SMG-4          R=1 Bullet-3
13. XRSMg-4 Exp Recoilless SMG-4 R=0 Bullet-5
14. ABR-9   Adv Battle Rifle-9   R=5 Bullet-7
15. ABC-9   Adv Battle Carbine-9 R=5 Bullet-6
16. ACR-10  Adv Cbt Rifle-10     R=3 Bullet-4 Frag-2
17. ACC-10  Adv Cbt Carbine-10   R=3 Frag-2 Bullet-3
18. AC-7    Assault Carbine-7    R=4 Bang-2 Blast-1 Bullet-1
19. GC-12   Gauss Carbine-12     R=4 Bullet-4
20. MslL-7  Missile Launcher-7   R=6 Pen-2 Frag-3
21. RAML-8  RAM Grenade L-8      R=6 Frag-2 Blast-2
22. GmL-9   Grenade Multi-L-9    R=4 Frag-2 Blast-2
23. ShPj-9  Shock Projector-9    R=2 Pain-2 Elec-2
24. FPj-8   Fire Projector-8     R=1 Burn-1 Pen-1
25. APj-9   Acid Projector-9     R=3 CORRODE-3 Pen-0
26. SPj-12  Stench Projector-12  R=2 Stench-1
27. LD-12   Laser Designator-12  R=5 Burn-2, Pen-2

ArmorMaker Examples

1. VS-9               Vacc Suit-9                  Ar 10 
2. CS-7               Cold Suit-7                  Ar 02 
3. PrS-12             ProtectedSuit-12             Ar 04 
4. HS-6               Hot Suit-6                   Ar 04 
5. EnvS-7             Environ Suit-7               Ar 08 
6. CS-7               Cold Suit-7                  Ar 02 
7. VS-9               Vacc Suit-9                  Ar 10 
8. HES-6              Hostile Environ Suit-6       Ar 16 
9. ( St ) BD-14       Standard Battle Dress-14     Ar 45 
10. ( A ) BD-16       Advanced Battle Dress-16     Ar 55 
11. ( A ) CbtD-16     Advanced Combat Dress-16     Ar 46 
12. ( Alt ) ProU-12   Alternate Prospector Unit-12 Ar 13 
13. ( BT ) SS-10      Basic Titan Sapper Suit-10   Ar 21 
14. ( AltVl ) EnvA-12 Alt Vlight Env Armor-12      Ar 28 
15. BU-12             Battle Unit-12               Ar 20 
16. HU-10             Hot Unit-10                  Ar 08 
17. HEU-10            Hostile Env Unit-10          Ar 32 
18. EnvU-11           Env Unit-11                  Ar 16

 

[robject]

Here's my first pass at updates for the weapon list.

Only the changed entries are listed here. Some are updates, but some are replacements.

1.  StSnP-7 Snub Pistol-7        R=2 Bullet-3  0.77 kg  Cr220 B=-3
2.  SRe-5   Revolver-5           R=2 Bullet-2  1.25 kg  Cr100
3.  StC-6   Carbine-6            R=4 Bullet-2  3 kg     Cr400 B=+1
5.  PC-6    Dart Carbine-7       R=4 Poison-4  3 kg     Cr360 B=+1
6.  StR-6   Rifle-6              R=5 Bullet-3  4 kg     Cr500
9.  StLC-11 Laser Carbine-11     R=4 Burn-4 Pen-2 3.6 kg  Cr2,400 B=+1
10. StLR-11 Laser Rifle-11       R=5 Burn-5 Pen-2 4.8 kg  Cr3,000
11. StSMg-6 SMG-6                R=2 Bullet-4  2.4 kg   Cr2,700 B=-1
18. StGR-13 Gauss Rifle-13       R=5 Bullet-6  3.6 kg   Cr1,000 
22. StPGMP-12    PGMP-12          R=4 Pen-6 Burn-3 22.5 kg  Cr10,000  B=-1

 

[robject]

I think the major change I'd suggest for the Armor section is to replace entry #7, which looks like a duplicate Vacc Suit, with:

AVS-12, Advanced Vacc Suit-12, 8 kg, KCr 20
 AV 20
      EMCage: 15
  Flashproof: 10
    Radproof: 11
  Soundproof: 11
   Psishield: 4
   Insulated: 35
      Sealed: 15

 

[David Johansen]

I've actually been working on something like this. It's not quite ready but maybe I'll post what I have tonight sometime.

 

[David Johansen]

Here it is: http://www3.telus.net/public/uncouths/gear.htm

I haven't done anything with vehicles, vehicular weapons, or man portable weapons yet, nor have I done any illustrations. I was doing this as a tool for a campaign I want to run.

 

[robject]

That's quite a list!

 

[David Johansen]

It's not quite done, there will probably be some more heavy and heavy, advanced versions yet. Partly I'm trying to get a better grasp of the philosophy behind Gunmaker so I can make sense of some of the results.

With the armor, the missing variants are the ones with negative protection values as that's the point at which the armor is hurting you with out ever getting shot.

 

[robject]

My list is a conversion of the basic CT guns and armor to T5 -- and now that I can format Marc's list, I see that he sort of follows CT's list too, although he adds in some exotic weapons and armor too.

His list isn't as random as I thought - not at all, actually. What it needs, is formatting. Badly. But even so I think he should be using "Standard" models of firearms, as I've edited into these posts.

One thing I noted is that his armor list basically negates the need for an armor list in the Equipment chapter. That saves a page right off the bat.

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

Ick.

My list is a conversion of the basic CT guns and armor to T5 -- and now that I can format Marc's list, I see that he sort of follows CT's list too, although he adds in some exotic weapons and armor too.

His list isn't as random as I thought - not at all, actually. What it needs, is formatting. Badly. But even so I think he should be using "Standard" models of firearms, as I've edited into these posts.

One thing I noted is that his armor list basically negates the need for an armor list in the Equipment chapter. That saves a page right off the bat.

The Guns and Armor examples really, really, really need much better organization! I tried to use it with the meatspace group and it was a mess.

Weapon types being separated would be a great start, some headers would help as well.

 

[robject]

The Guns and Armor examples really, really, really need much better organization! I tried to use it with the meatspace group and it was a mess.

Weapon types being separated would be a great start, some headers would help as well.

If we can fit it onto one page, then fine. If we spill over, then we have to answer to Don and Marc. (shudder)

 

[agorski]

Here's my first pass at updates for the weapon list.

Only the changed entries are listed here. Some are updates, but some are replacements.

1.  StSnP-7 Snub Pistol-7        R=2 Bullet-3  0.77 kg  Cr220 B=-3
2.  SRe-5   Revolver-5           R=2 Bullet-2  1.25 kg  Cr100
3.  StC-6   Carbine-6            R=4 Bullet-2  3 kg     Cr400 B=+1
5.  PC-6    Dart Carbine-7       R=4 Poison-4  3 kg     Cr360 B=+1
6.  StR-6   Rifle-6              R=5 Bullet-3  4 kg     Cr500
9.  StLC-11 Laser Carbine-11     R=4 Burn-4 Pen-2 3.6 kg  Cr2,400 B=+1
10. StLR-11 Laser Rifle-11       R=5 Burn-5 Pen-2 4.8 kg  Cr3,000
11. StSMg-6 SMG-6                R=2 Bullet-4  2.4 kg   Cr2,700 B=-1
18. StGR-13 Gauss Rifle-13       R=5 Bullet-6  3.6 kg   Cr1,000 
22. StPGMP-12    PGMP-12          R=4 Pen-6 Burn-3 22.5 kg  Cr10,000  B=-1

According to T5.09, recalculations are necessary here. For example, The Standard stage no longer bumps the tech level.