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Useful Habital Zone Information Found!

Gruffty

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Greetings All

I found this whilst surfing:

Arxiv website

The paper focuses on systems containing gas giants, and looks at how the gravitational "reach" of each system's gas giant(s) might effect an Earth-like world located in the habitable zone.

Basically the paper states that gas giants with large enough gravitational reaches (i.e. that extend into the HZ) will "bump" an Earth-like world in the HZ, increasing the Earth-like world's orbital eccentricity and send it zooming out of the HZ. It also shows that Earth-like worlds can exist in the HZ when there are gas giants in the system whose gravitational reach doesn't extend into the HZ. Finally, the papers shows how much of the HZ is available to an Earth-like world where a gas giant's gravitational reach extends into the HZ. The paper does this by showing the % of HZ available for the orbit of the Earth-like world.

From what I can gather, the paper shows that systems with a "configuration" (third column in from right of tables at end of the document) of "1" or "2" have the best chances of an Earth-like world in the HZ. Systems with a "configuration" of "3" or "4" (there are no "5"s in the tables) have a % of the HZ available for an Earth-like world. Systems with a "configuration" of "6" have no chance of an Earth-like world in the HZ.

I think (although I could be wrong) the "configurations" indicate the arrangement of each system's gas giants, i.e., configuration 6 gas giants have gravity reaches that extend all the way across the HZ, thus affecting any Earth-like world that is/was in the HZ. 3 and 4 indicate shorter gas giant gravity reaches, that only extend partially into the HZ. 1 and 2 indicate gas giants that don't have gravity reaches that come anywhere near the HZ.

Whilst it's an entirely scientific paper (and thus contains some weird and wonderful equations) the tables at the end of the document provide us with the following useful information:

Real world star catalog numbers and names;
Their masses;
The Inner and Outer edge distances of each star's Habitable Zone;
Whether the system is habitable today;
The number of gas giants in the system.

Here are some examples from the tables at the end of the document:

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;"> p Cor Borealis G0 V (mass = 0.95 sol)
Inner HZ edge = 1.094 Au
Outer HZ edge = 2.175 Au
Planets = b (i.e. p Cor Borealis b, a gas giant)
a/Au = 0.22 Au
e = 0.04 (= orbital eccentricity of the GG)
Configuration = 2 (i.e. good!)
System Habitability Today = Yes
Sustained Habitability = Yes</pre>[/QUOTE]I read the above as showing that the GG orbits a G0 V star at 0.22 Au with an orbital eccentricity of 0.04. This is well inside the HZ Inner edge at 1.094 Au - the GG's gravity reach doesn't extend into the HZ, so our little Earth-like world can exist there.

Here's a more dodgy example:

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;"> HD 11964 G5 V (mass = 1.125 sol)
Inner HZ edge = 1.562 Au
Outer HZ edge = 3.077 Au
Planets = b
a/Au = 0.229 Au
e = 0.15
Planets = c
a/Au = 3.167 Au
e = 0.3
Configuration = 3
System Habitability Today = 10%
Sustained Habitability = No</pre>[/QUOTE](Please note: I've left out a lot of the more technical data from the tables in the above examples.)

I read the above as showing a G5 V primary with 2 GGs orbiting it, one at 0.229 Au, the other at 3.167 Au. The outer GG's gravitational reach extends back towards the primary star through the HZ's Outer edge at 3.077 Au. This leaves only 10% of the HZ available for our little Earth-like world. I'm pretty sure the Earthlike world would be located close to the Inner edge of the HZ:

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Inner HZ edge = 1.562 Au
less
Outer HZ edge = 3.077 Au
= width of HZ = 1.515 Au

10% of 1.515 = 0.1515 Au
+
Inner HZ edge = 1.562 Au
= 1.6665 Au</pre>[/QUOTE]So our little Earth-like world is squeezed into an orbit between 1.562 Au and 1.6665 Au from its primary star, as a direct result of the gravitational reach of the outer GG.

Whilst I appreciate the above is very math heavy, the tables at the end of the document are extremely useful for those of us who haven't got the time, resources or inclination to sit and do the math.

"You want to know how far the Mainworld is from the F9 V primary? It orbits at [pick a distance between 1.021 and 2.08 Au] Au and there's a gas giant orbiting the primary at 0.104 Au. Go fill 'er up for free, boys!"

Hopefully useful stuff, and it's all RealWorld (TM) too... :D
 
Hi Gruffty !

Very pretty link.
Its hard to find useful stuff in those scientific paper collections, so You really scored a hit here


regards,

Mert
 
I think the tables at the end of the document are the most useful part of the paper.

There are enough different star types to prevent things being bland, you've got habitable zones already marked out, and the number of GGs in the system as well! Just add a Mainworld, some moons, an asteroid belt or two and a few other worlds and bingo! Nearly instant system!

If you look at the bottom of the first page of tables (p. 19 of 22) there are 2 K0 V stars - one is three up from the bottom of the page, the other is the last entry on the page.

I was struck by how close the numbers are:

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Data HD 37605 HD 3651 Differences
Mass (sols) 0.8 0.79 0.01
Spectral Type/Class K0 V K0 V -
BC -0.36 -0.36 0
HZ Inner edge (Au) 0.733 0.712 0.021
HZ Outer edge (Au) 1.441 1.398 0.043
Planets b b
Orbit (Au) 0.25 0.284 0.034
e (Eccentricity) 0.677 0.63 0.047
Configuration 2 2
System Habitability today? Yes Yes</pre>[/QUOTE]Obviously I haven't included all the data from the table for both stars, such as mass of the GGs (they are vastly different), and distance in Ly (a big difference, but not really relevant) but all the basics are there to use with LBB 3, 6, WBH, GT:FI, WTHB, or any other world generation system.

And, of course, if you're not into that much detail, you can just pull the distances, etc, as you need them :D

Finding this list of data was, in fact, just what I was looking for.....
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I wonder what Malenfant/TempMal would make of it?
 
Definitely interesting. Just reading the text gave me a lot of ideas for worlds with jacked up high eccentricity orbits, that are mostly hostile, but could be settled, a la Helliconia.

I have not been so inspired since the release of Space Opera.

An Ace find, Gruffty.
 
Originally posted by Merxiless:
Definitely interesting. Just reading the text gave me a lot of ideas for worlds with jacked up high eccentricity orbits, that are mostly hostile, but could be settled, a la Helliconia.

I have not been so inspired since the release of Space Opera.

An Ace find, Gruffty.
Glad to be able to help! ;)
 
Neat stuff! I was struck by how far out the habitable zones were, even around K stars. Looks like 365 day long, or more, years.

The other thing I noticed was the 61% (or 69%) habitable planets dropped to single digits if the close-in gas giants formed in the outer system and spiraled in. On the positive side, that sort of system is easily detected but seems to be in a minority of systems.
 
Absolutely fantastic find Gruffty! One of the best finds I have ever seen. Thanks for sharing it. This will prove to be an invaluable resource.
 
OUCHIE...
I think my brain is bleeding out my eye from reading the 'scientific' part...

...maybe i souldn't do this at 1130 pm?
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my brain has logged off, I'll tackle it with our own star visable overhead...

but still, the crunchy bits of goodness are appreciated...bravo!!
 
Originally posted by Grymlocke:
OUCHIE...
I think my brain is bleeding out my eye from reading the 'scientific' part...
Funny that, the same thing happend to me.....

but still, the crunchy bits of goodness are appreciated...bravo!!
Why, eyethangewe, oneanall
 
That just a typical scientists trick to prevent people from verifying their work.
Guess they have got a kind of translator for that...
 
Originally posted by TheEngineer:
That just a typical scientists trick to prevent people from verifying their work.
Guess they have got a kind of translator for that...
now it's clear!!
because Doctors are techically 'scientists' they use the same trick in perscriptions and medical records...no wonder pharmasists ALWAYS go into the backroom to fill an order... :confused:
 
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