Warehousing

[Liam Devlin]

Again, following Mythmere's proposed outline:
Warehousing (the number will depend on port class)
Table 1: good air, high TL
Table 2: bad air, high TL
Table 3: good air, low TL
Table 4: bad air, low TL
Table 5: Highport

 

[Antares Administration]

Include material handling in warehousing, because I don't think it's handled anywhere else.

At one extreme, you have "Open yard, and two Virushi in harnesses." At the other, it's "Gravitic Container storage, with multiple specialized environments, and robotic inertialess grav handling equipment."

Use the example of a modern container yard or distribution centre, and move up or down the tech scale from there.

Paul Nemeth
AA

 

[mad13142000]

Although if we split apart landing and hangar space, then cargos are unloaded in said hanger space and transferred to customs or warehousing prior to trade on the Exchange.

-MADDog

 

[Antares Administration]

Originally posted by MADDog:
Although if we split apart landing and hangar space, then cargos are unloaded in said hanger space and transferred to customs or warehousing prior to trade on the Exchange.

-MADDog

OK, then build material handling into hanger space instead of warehouse. My point is:

a. It's separate and different from "transportation" which is the planetary stuff entering and leaving, and
b. It is important enough that it does have to be mentioned somewhere.

Paul Nemeth
AA

 

[Shadowdancer]

I'm assuming we are being asked to provide examples of possible table entries. If that is not what you are looking for, then my apologies.

Table 3: Good air, low TL.

Pole Barn -- structure is simply a long, wide roof supported by a central double row of tall poles or supports. Cargo containers are stacked/unstacked using a series of block-and-tackle arrangements. Cargo is moved in and out using flatbed wagons and draft animals. Waterproof canvas sheets can be lowered from the edges of the roof to protect cargo during inclimate weather.

 

[Liam Devlin]

Paraquat Johnson-BINGO, yessir, thats what we're looking for! Nice description Good Air/Low TL..(non industrial and non electric!)TL-2-4 in some parts! GREAT!

 

[trader jim]

for low tech...old fashion stevadores, dockworkers, when everthing was manhandled or moved with block and tackle, unloading sometime took hundreds of men.

 

[GBoyett]

Originally posted by trader jim:
for low tech...old fashion stevadores, dockworkers, when everthing was manhandled or moved with block and tackle, unloading sometime took hundreds of men.

Hey this just gave me the image of luddite movements springing up when the SPA tries to upgrade dock operations. This makes a good adventure nugget.

Good one TJ!

 

[Mythmere]

Table One (breathable air, High TL)
1-2 tall stacks of warehouse modules reached by grav elevators
3-4 deep shaft with warehouse modules reached by grav elevator
5 roughly circular cluster of polygonal warehouses that roll out to the edge of the cluster (when called) for offloading and onloading
6 large concrete buildings with loading docks and grav lanes between them.

 

[Antares Administration]

Originally posted by Mythmere:
Table One (breathable air, High TL)
1-2 tall stacks of warehouse modules reached by grav elevators
3-4 deep shaft with warehouse modules reached by grav elevator
....

Or as a cross-post from Transportation Inside Port, use grav modules on THB standard containers, and pull them into position in vertical storage using a grav tractor (like an airfield tractor, but operating in three dimensions).

Walking into such a warehouse, you'd see standard containers positioned in an open three-dimensional environment (like some kind of cubist heaven). Grav tractors would taxi them to handling ramps for loading/unloading, inspection or repair.

Paul Nemeth
AA

 

[Mythmere]

Modified and restated per Paul (AA)

Table One (breathable air, High TL)
1-2 tall stacks of warehouse modules reached by grav elevators
3-4 deep shaft with warehouse modules reached by grav elevator
5 roughly circular cluster of polygonal warehouses that roll out to the edge of the cluster (when called) for offloading and onloading
6 large concrete buildings with loading docks and grav lanes between them.
7-8 Grav-lifted container array (see description)[which comes from Paul's post]

 

[sandman]

Originally posted by Antares Administration:
Walking into such a warehouse, you'd see standard containers positioned in an open three-dimensional environment (like some kind of cubist heaven). Grav tractors would taxi them to handling ramps for loading/unloading, inspection or repair.

Paul Nemeth
AA

Just pray they don`t have some power outage when you take your walk though...

 

[Antares Administration]

Originally posted by Sandman:
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Walking into such a warehouse, you'd see standard containers positioned in an open three-dimensional environment (like some kind of cubist heaven). Grav tractors would taxi them to handling ramps for loading/unloading, inspection or repair.

Paul Nemeth
AA

Just pray they don`t have some power outage when you take your walk though... </font>[/QUOTE] Sign overhead, "MIND THE BOX"....

I'd imagine that by TL D, the grav modules would be self contained and have considerable fuel cell/battery/powerplant life. Part of the inventory control function in the warehouse would be to swap out grav modules with low charges.

Paul Nemeth
AA

 

[PapaGolfWhiskey]

Sounds like a good setup for an Assasin.

Talk about 'freak accident'

 

[mad13142000]

Aw, remembering my JB Hunt days, nothing was quite as inspiring as dropping my 'load' at a railhead - seeing those big stacks of 40ft standard containers waiting to be put on a train, bound for a port, to be put in big stacks on a ship...

(did you know that most OTR truckers no longer go coast to coast? The savings of loading them onto railcars is that much. We dropped in Dallas or KC, and they got picked up again in LA...)
Just trying to regain my thoughts...I had a big message half typed in when the power went out for the last 2 hours...
-MADDog

 

[Antares Administration]

Originally posted by MADDog:
Aw, remembering my JB Hunt days, nothing was quite as inspiring as dropping my 'load' at a railhead - seeing those big stacks of 40ft standard containers waiting to be put on a train, bound for a port, to be put in big stacks on a ship...

(did you know that most OTR truckers no longer go coast to coast? The savings of loading them onto railcars is that much. We dropped in Dallas or KC, and they got picked up again in LA...)
Just trying to regain my thoughts...I had a big message half typed in when the power went out for the last 2 hours...
-MADDog

I know the feeling, MADDog. I used to work in Military Movements. My best job ever in the military was running operations for the Canadian Forces at the Old Port, Mogadishu, Somalia. Did you know that containers make a really good security perimeter? I got out to run an automated warehouse and distribution centre. I'm currently working on a contract in the global intermodal business. Containers by road, rail, sea. I'm beginning to see containers in my sleep....

Paul Nemeth
AA

 

[Antares Administration]

Originally posted by thrash:
Not only do containers make good security perimeters (as noted on p. 57 of GT: Far Trader, naturally), but the control tower for Mogadishu International Airport was rebuilt with 40-foot containers stood on end and 20-foot containers stacked on top. Air Traffic Control was provided by the Kiwis.

Good to meet you, Thrash!
(also off topic)
Ah, yes.

The Kiwis. Good beer, liked to party. There was the night we hot refuelled one of our 707 freighters on the ramp because the technicals were on the loose, and we didn't want to take a stray 12.7mm round while refuelling the big bird.

Before I became the Ops O of our National Support Element (theatre service support unit) and we moved to the old port, we had our container park in the middle of the airfield. I spent two months working as G4 TN at the CDN HQ in the embassy compound, but spent a lot of time doing log ops at the Airport.

The old port was something completely different....

Actually, Mog taught me a lot about the application of TL 7/8 containers in a TL 4 environment.

We should move any more non-warehousing discussion of fond memories to Random Static. "Changing channels now. Out."

Paul Nemeth
AA

 

[Mythmere]

Natural rock formation of hundreds of broad, shallow pits - these have been covered with locking lids for use as warehouses. They aren't convenient, but they are what is used. Go figure. It takes all kinds to make a galaxy.

underground horizonal wheel turns around to the appropriate place, and a piston boosts the warehouse module up the elevator. When you're done with the warehouse, you push the button and the wheel spins to an empty slot, the elevator brings the warehouse module back down to the wheel. It's like a dry cleaner's rack only underground and really huge.

I'll have fewer posts for the next few days - I sliced my right hand open on a broken glass and got five stitches.

 

[Antares Administration]

Ouch! Take care of yourself, Mythmere!

Your not reminds me of something that I was exposed to in Germany: large underground caverns used for storage and servicing. In many places, Bavaria for example, where the terrain allowed for it, caves were dug into the hillsides, and hardened bunkers were created for storing war reserves of vehicles, ammo and supplies. I remember driving through a valley and passing steel door after steel door, set in concrete, and obscured by the vegetation. Some of the US POMCUS site were set up this way, IIRC.

Think the homes of Hobbiton in LOTR (the movie), but with concrete-encased, steel reinforced doors protecting battalions of tanks and APCs!

Paul Nemeth
AA

 

[Liam Devlin]

Originally posted by Antares Administration:
Ouch! Take care of yourself, Mythmere!

Aye, be careful lad! that can impair/impede yer work here!

Your note reminds me of something that I was exposed to in Germany: large underground caverns used for storage and servicing. In many places, Bavaria for example, where the terrain allowed for it, caves were dug into the hillsides, and hardened bunkers were created for storing war reserves of vehicles, ammo and supplies. I remember driving through a valley and passing steel door after steel door, set in concrete, and obscured by the vegetation. Some of the US POMCUS site were set up this way, IIRC.

Think the homes of Hobbiton in LOTR (the movie), but with concrete-encased, steel reinforced doors protecting battalions of tanks and APCs!

Paul Nemeth
AA

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underground natural caverns have been used since ancient times dating back to Egypt, actually (TL-1). Ephesus, city of the Ephesians (of biblical fame & book of that title) was entirely underground caverns, for example, in Apostle paul's time (yer namesake AA?).
So even at Lower tech levels one could utilize these--Good job Mythmere! with technology, the doors and such and means of closure improve of course.
speaking of germany, WW2 the art stolen from Europe by the Nazi's was recovered by George S. Patton's 3rd Army injust such a series of caves.
Salt caves/mine, known for dryness, IIRC.