Jeff M. Hopper
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Both a Peerage Knighthood and an Honor Knighthood. Who can grant this Patent of Nobility and in what circumstances can it be granted?
Who Can Grant A Knighthood?
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Pre-T5 the archdukes could create knights and baronets. Knights and baronets didn't have seats in the Moot, so they weren't peers.
The distinction you make between peers and honor nobility doesn't exist. Honor nobles are peers too, just as much as high nobles are.
Post-T5, where I understand even knights have seats in the Moot, the retcon may or may not remove the archdukes' ability to create knights and baronets. It seems logical to me that the Emperor wouldn't want the archdukes to be able to create Moot members, but then, it seems logical to me that the Emperor would not want to stuff the Moot with hundreds of thousands of members, so who knows?
Hans
one thing T might want to add is what I think is called "legions of honor" or merit? - basically medals given to citizens for outstanding service and such like. No "power" as such but being a member enables a degree of networking ability and respect among other similar recipients. Some would confer actual knighthood, but there are ones that don't, IIRC.
for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geheimrat
for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geheimrat
I think a greater diversity in the knighthoods handed out would help. GT:Nobles did a good job with a dozen orders of knighthood, but the number of people these orders were said to accomodate seems inadequate to me.
IMTU a person's position in his home community gives him a social level that ranges up to 23 before Imperial barons show up at SL 24. The Imperium then awards him an Imperial knighthood suitable for his position and the importance of his society to the Imperium. These knighthoods range from SL10 to 23. Someone with an SL of 11 would become a knight of the 3rd Imperium. Someone with a SL of 19 would become a Knight Grand Cross of the Golden Sun. Someone with a SL of 21 would become a Commander of the Star of Sylea, and so on. So when the the Grand Director of Vilis, the Speaker for All the Tribes of the Grundish Steppe on Sorel, a Commander of a Thousand Sails of the Southern Archipelagic Confederation on Overnale, and the Lord High Syndic of Thorshavn on Marastan all arrive at the Duchess of Mora's Office[*], the Master of Ceremonies can just look up their Imperial titles and know their order of precedence.
[*] In connection with Imperial nobles, 'office' has the same connotations that 'court' had for historical kings on Earth.
Hans
Actually, in T5 Knights do NOT have votes in the Moot (and therefore, presumably do not have seats), but Baronets now do have Moot votes. In T5, every world has at least a Knight as a representative (whereas previously it had been at least a Baron). But the Knights do not get votes.
It may be that only Baronets made by the Emperor as Emperor (i.e. Imperial Baronets, not Baronets of the Domain of Sylea or any other Domain) have the vote. But that is speculation on my part.
Also, as a side note, the word "Peer" does not appear in the T5 text anywhere in the context of Nobility. I do not know if that is significant or not, but I thought I would mention it.
