T4 Milleu0 book includes "First Survey"?

[Cymew]

Hi guys.

I just got the M0 book on ebay, and when it landed on my doorstep I realize it is one big hardback with what looks like another supplement patched in.

Is the M0 book supposed to be hardback, and with a section named "First Survey" in the back, with pagenumbers starting from 1 again?

Or did I get two books for the price of 1/2? One good and another not so good...

 

[Cymew]

Hi guys.

I just got the M0 book on ebay, and when it landed on my doorstep I realize it is one big hardback with what looks like another supplement patched in.

Is the M0 book supposed to be hardback, and with a section named "First Survey" in the back, with pagenumbers starting from 1 again?

Or did I get two books for the price of 1/2? One good and another not so good...

 

[Ron]

First Survey was previously released as an individual book before the edition you owns. So you got two books for the price of one. Quite frankly, I never understood why people would even consider to expend money in a computer generated list of star systems, but First survey does have its fans.

 

[Ron]

First Survey was previously released as an individual book before the edition you owns. So you got two books for the price of one. Quite frankly, I never understood why people would even consider to expend money in a computer generated list of star systems, but First survey does have its fans.

 

[Cymew]

OK, I was a bit surprised since I didn't know they had been combined.

Like you I don't understand such a book. It was one of those books I looked at when T4 appeared, and it didn't sell me on T4 I can tell you that! That, and the abyssmal 70-ies look of T4 took me off Traveller for a few years.

I always thought that it should have been put on a webpage somewhere as a free download. If they had at least did some maps and writeups of the worlds...

Well! That aside I'm a happy owner of two books in one. Better late than never.

 

[Cymew]

OK, I was a bit surprised since I didn't know they had been combined.

Like you I don't understand such a book. It was one of those books I looked at when T4 appeared, and it didn't sell me on T4 I can tell you that! That, and the abyssmal 70-ies look of T4 took me off Traveller for a few years.

I always thought that it should have been put on a webpage somewhere as a free download. If they had at least did some maps and writeups of the worlds...

Well! That aside I'm a happy owner of two books in one. Better late than never.

 

[mike wightman]

And now for the extra good news. The hardback book you have has M0 and FS combined, plus some extra pages that weren't included in the originals.

All in all a very good buy

 

[mike wightman]

And now for the extra good news. The hardback book you have has M0 and FS combined, plus some extra pages that weren't included in the originals.

All in all a very good buy

 

[mike wightman]

And a re-post to save you digging through archives:
...as far as I can tell by quickly skimming the two books the hardback's extras are:
chapter9 Timeline and significant events which looks at the events up to year 200 (according to something I read Milieu 200 would have been released the next year for T4) and includes an expansion of the Imperium by sector table;
chapter10 Rivals of the young 3I, a very brief outline of six pocket empires;
chapter11 Adventures in Milieu 0 seven patron encounters and one long (8 sides) adventure;
chapter12 Worlds in Milieu 0 fleshing out the UWP data, including 7 new Universal Law Profile charts.

 

[mike wightman]

And a re-post to save you digging through archives:
...as far as I can tell by quickly skimming the two books the hardback's extras are:
chapter9 Timeline and significant events which looks at the events up to year 200 (according to something I read Milieu 200 would have been released the next year for T4) and includes an expansion of the Imperium by sector table;
chapter10 Rivals of the young 3I, a very brief outline of six pocket empires;
chapter11 Adventures in Milieu 0 seven patron encounters and one long (8 sides) adventure;
chapter12 Worlds in Milieu 0 fleshing out the UWP data, including 7 new Universal Law Profile charts.

 

[SType]

I have always been pretty impressed with the M0 hardback. The background material is well done, and while the stellar data of First Survey seems kind of dry for a stand-alone supplement, it fits in well in an overall setting book.

 

[SType]

I have always been pretty impressed with the M0 hardback. The background material is well done, and while the stellar data of First Survey seems kind of dry for a stand-alone supplement, it fits in well in an overall setting book.

 

[Cymew]

I now have thumbed through the book a bit more. It's good to hear from Sigg that I have gotten even more than two books for the price of one!

First Survey and the layout of the T4 rulebookmight have turned my off Traveller for a while, but this M0 book have made me interested in the other T4 books that are supposed to be good. Now I just need Pocket Empires and Psionic Institutes!

 

[Cymew]

I now have thumbed through the book a bit more. It's good to hear from Sigg that I have gotten even more than two books for the price of one!

First Survey and the layout of the T4 rulebookmight have turned my off Traveller for a while, but this M0 book have made me interested in the other T4 books that are supposed to be good. Now I just need Pocket Empires and Psionic Institutes!

 

[Muad'dib Pendragon]

There were two Milieu 0 books published. The first was Milieu 0 (1996), the second was Milieu 0 Campaign (1997). Your book, Milieu 0 Campaign, includes both Milieu 0 (with 34 added pages) and First Survey. The First Survey portion also includes missing law level data from the original First Survey and provides a law level generation method a la World Builder's Handbook.

 

[Muad'dib Pendragon]

There were two Milieu 0 books published. The first was Milieu 0 (1996), the second was Milieu 0 Campaign (1997). Your book, Milieu 0 Campaign, includes both Milieu 0 (with 34 added pages) and First Survey. The First Survey portion also includes missing law level data from the original First Survey and provides a law level generation method a la World Builder's Handbook.

 

[clementk]

Now if only M0 Campaign was up on DTRPG. ;(

Casey

 

[clementk]

Now if only M0 Campaign was up on DTRPG. ;(

Casey