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Ask whoever is writing the Mongoose Vargr book. Gvurrdon is the sector that will be included in that.
 
And Roger Malmstein is exactly who I was digging for, so we're all good, and I was already in contact with the Mongoose author, who isn't exactly a Gvurrdon expert, but he will be.
 
I was already in contact with the Mongoose author, who isn't exactly a Gvurrdon expert, but he will be.

Does he have to be? I don't really care for sticking to obscure canon, I would much prefer that he was left alone to develop it in whatever way Mongoose wants to develop it.
 
Does he have to be? I don't really care for sticking to obscure canon, I would much prefer that he was left alone to develop it in whatever way Mongoose wants to develop it.

Not everyone would agree with that sentiment. And I, for one, would prefer not to see another schism in the Traveller community like the TNE one. There is still plenty of scope for Mongoose to develop Traveller in new and interesting ways while adding to existing canon ... no need to tear down and retcon just because of lazy research.
 
Not everyone would agree with that sentiment. And I, for one, would prefer not to see another schism in the Traveller community like the TNE one. There is still plenty of scope for Mongoose to develop Traveller in new and interesting ways while adding to existing canon ... no need to tear down and retcon just because of lazy research.

I completly agree, however it seems that they are already going down that path. Either they are changing it deliberatly, or they are doing sloppy reasurch. I suspect the latter.

Regards,

Ewan
 
I completly agree, however it seems that they are already going down that path. Either they are changing it deliberatly, or they are doing sloppy reasurch. I suspect the latter.


E.D.,

It's sloppy research, sloppy or nonexistent research into both Traveller and basic materials. You only need to look at Mongoose's version of Mercenary to see it, that book's author had no grasp of the subject matter at all.

What's more "Mongoose Matt" has cheerfully admitted on these fora that Mongoose sees no need to research and/or incorporate existing Traveller materials. He trots out his license and the excuse that "they want to change things".

I've no problem with changes for the better, but Mongoose has produced damn few of those so far. I fully expect them to ⌧ up the Vargr and Gvurrdon as much as they did the Aslan and Trojan Reach.


Regards,
Bill
 
I am more concerned about wether or not I am credited if they use any of my material. If they stick to what AM3, Alien Realms, FFW and The Spinward Marches has of material, they are in the green.
 
I suspect not, since they are set in 1105, and your material develops post that.

However, I think way too many people forget you named the worlds and subsectors (except for MNOP, of course).
 
Not everyone would agree with that sentiment. And I, for one, would prefer not to see another schism in the Traveller community like the TNE one. There is still plenty of scope for Mongoose to develop Traveller in new and interesting ways while adding to existing canon ... no need to tear down and retcon just because of lazy research.

I agree with the " just let them write new stuff " sentiment.
IF for no other reason, that we don't really need yet another version of the same tired old stuff that people already argue endlessly over. If I bought it, I already tossed it out with yesterdays lunch, or kept it and will use it continuously. Why ask me to pay again for the same material....again. This is the reason I no longer waste my money on new materials; so far its mostly been stuff I've already payed once for.
If people think the new stuff is crap, then they have the option to use the older stuff, while still keeping the option to use whatever newer stuff trips their fancy.

This in my opinion is one of the biggest drags on the game; slavish adherence to the OTU ( some of which is flawed and just plain dumb ).
There should be no reason to let this prevent the publication of new and possibly interesting works for the game.
But...if people wish to pass judgment on the work before its even written <shrug >
 
I fully expect them to ⌧ up the Vargr and Gvurrdon as much as they did the Aslan and Trojan Reach.

Sorry, but who the hell are you to say this?

I really do not have time for self-elected Traveller Thought Policemen who guard The One True Way (which is their way, and nobody else's) and who think they have the right to tell publishers what they can or should or cannot or should not do. This sort of attitude has been destroying Traveller for years, and I would be glad to see the back of it. And I certainly would not want to see people with that attitude having any influence at all on what Mongoose or anybody else writes.

I like what Mongoose has done with the OTU. I do not care one bit if anything is different from what came before - previous editions have hardly been consistent with eachother either. At the end of the day it's really simple, if you do not like the Mongoose Traveller books, then just do not get them.
 
I think the responses kind of prove my point. Two camps, equally passionate, are starting to develop.

I WANT new stuff, fresh and interesting (why buy it otherwise). I WANT it to be consistent with the old stuff (in as much as that’s possible given the existing canon contradictions. I believe it can be BOTH, these two ideals are NOT mutually exclusive.
 
I WANT it to be consistent with the old stuff (in as much as that’s possible given the existing canon contradictions. I believe it can be BOTH, these two ideals are NOT mutually exclusive.

It can be both, I just do not want to see people with Whipsnade's attitudes attempting to bully Mongoose or anyone else into doing it their way, or being abusive to people who don't want to do it their way.

I do not think there is an awful lot known about Gvurrdon in Traveller canon anyway. I think the way forward would be to take a look at what existing canon there is that is published by major publishers (I wouldn't bother with the small ones, personally I couldn't care less about something some obscure company said 25 years ago that hasn't been seen since in a product that is long out of print), and then resolve any contradictions in whatever way Mongoose feels works. I would imagine that the best sources are Classic Traveller's Vargr alien race module, Megatraveller's Vilani and Vargr book, and GURPS Traveller's relevant Alien Race book.

But if Mongoose thinks of a better way to do something or a more interesting scenario for a given world, then by all means I think they should be encouraged to go ahead and use their own ideas. I am not interested in a product that simply parrots everything that came before it, I want something that adds to the OTU.

Mongoose are defining their own canon now, and while it should be based on what has gone before I do not believe (as some do) that it should be rigidly chained to what has gone before.

There is no need for a 'schism' here, but I suspect that people like Whipsnade have no interest in adapting their ideals of what they think Traveller should be to what it actually is (and certainly I get that impression from everything I've read that he has said about Mongoose Traveller).
 
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One of the main challenges with Traveller is the wast amount of canon material. Much which has not been in print since the first print run.

GDW did the right thing when it comes to TNE, scrap what is and start a new background with the old as foundation. Just that it doesn't count much any more.

Traveller haven't been in real circulation since T4. So it should not matter much what Mongoose does with the setting. However, they should keep vital setting mechanics and information alive. Was human controlled imperium, alien races and jump drive, the frontier wars, interstellar wars and of course the jump drive with x parsec a week. Pretty much everything else may change if needed or if the information is too hard to track down.

When I developed Gvurrdon back in the early 90s I had a hard time track down relevant information that I needed. Clay Bush was kind enough to point out the most important sources. After thrawling them I thought, with heck with it, I must make some stuff up anyway, so just get started. No-one has complained about any canon breaking stuff yet.
 
I think the responses kind of prove my point. Two camps, equally passionate, are starting to develop.

I WANT new stuff, fresh and interesting (why buy it otherwise). I WANT it to be consistent with the old stuff (in as much as that’s possible given the existing canon contradictions. I believe it can be BOTH, these two ideals are NOT mutually exclusive.

Exactly, and it doesn't take much effort to achieve. Everything is in PDF and it's not like the authors can't read.

If you want something really new then Mongoose has this comming, a completly new Traveller setting. Got no problem with that, in fact if it's any good then I might even buy it.

If they wanted to they could be consistant with the OTU and produce good new material.

Regards,

Ewan
 
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