Boarding Carbine/Snub Carbine

[Sir Brad]

Developed at TL 8 the Boarding Carbine/Snub Carbine is the long-arm of choice for Space Assault Troops at TL 8 and those fighting in Close Environments until TL 10, a development of the Combat Snub Pistol, the Ammunition, Magazines and many internal components are interchangeable. the Boarding Carbines longer barrel and collapsible stock afford better accuracy over range than the Snub Pistol wile still remaining compact enough to use easily in close environments like the confines of a space ship or habit's corridor or small rooms.

Weapon Weight: 750g
Weapon Length: 450/600mm
Ammunition Weight: 125g
Maximum Effective Range: Long
Applicable Skill: 0g Weapons
Rounds per Load: 20
Weapon Price: 250cr
Price per Load: 20cr

Required Attribute: Dex 6 (-1 DM penalty)
Advantageous Attribute: Dex 9+ (+1 DM)

Special Features: when Stock is extended Range Modifiers become: Close 0, Short +1, Medium -5, Long -7.

Target Armour DM's: As Snub Pistol
Target Range DM's: HE Close No, Short +2, Medium -6, Long -8
All Others Close 0, Short +2, Medium -6, Long -8.
Target Hits: As Snub Pistol.

Note: The Boarding Carbine is supplanted by the Accelerator Rifle at TL 9 for use by Space Infantry fighting in Open Space or large habitats, but remains popular for use by Assault Troops boarding or defending Close Environments until it is replaced by the Gyro-Stabilised Selectable Fire Advanced Boarding Carbine at TL 10.

 

[Sir Brad]

The TL 10 Advanced Boarding Carbine is a development of the TL 8 Boarding Carbine, it features Gryo-stablesion and an advanced battlefield sight like those found on the ACR and ARL also introduced at TL 10, this allows the weapon to maintain accuracy over range even when the fully automatic fire option is selected, the weapon maintains many of the features that made the TL 8 successful and improves on others.

Weapon Weight: 750g
Weapon Length: 450/600mm
Ammunition Weight: 125g
Maximum Effective Range: Long
Applicable Skill: 0g Weapons
Rounds per Load: 20
Weapon Price: 500cr
Price per Load: 20cr

Required Attribute: Dex 6 (-1 DM penalty)
Advantageous Attribute: Dex 9+ (+1 DM)

Special Features: when Stock is extended Range Modifiers become: Close 0, Short +1/+3, Medium -5/-3, Long -7/-5. Battlefield Sight

Target Armour DM's:
HE +2/+4, +2/+4, -1/+1, -3/-1, +2/+4, 0/+2, -8/-6
HEAP +2/+4, +2/+4, +1/+3, -1/+1, +3/+5, +2/+4, -3/-1
Tranq -1/+1, -1/+1, -4/-2, -6/-4, -1/+1, -4/-2, No
Slug +1/+3, +1/+3, -1/+1, -3/-1, +1/+3, -1/+1, -8/-6

Target Range DM's:
HE Close No, Short +2/+4, Medium -6/-4, Long -8/-6
All Others Close 0, Short +2/+4, Medium -6/-4, Long -8/-6

Target Hits: As Snub Pistol

 

[Enoki]

750 grams?!! This thing loaded weighs less that 2 pounds / 1 kilogram?! OOOkaaaayyy.....

Don't know of any rifles or carbines that weigh that little. Most weigh in around 2 to 3 kilos loaded.

 

[Sir Brad]

All Carbon fibre and low density polymers along with some low mass ceramics, it's not like it has the high chamber pressers to require ballistic steel, or needs the mass to offset recoil or Frame strength to survive firing stress, it is just a Combat Snub Pistol (that masses 250g) with a barrel extension and consolable stock that together triples the Mass. Darn thing probably looks and fells like a Nerf gun.

 

[far-trader]

I've been meaning to ask...

...and consolable stock.

Could you mean collapsible stock? I'm not familiar with consolable in this context.

More to the meat of the matter, nicely done, though my first overriding thought was, oh, an SMG

 

[Dragoner]

It is very similar to the snub SMG I made for this picture:

http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Gallery/index.php?n=790

For MTU I used it as snub pistol, just with autofire rules.

 

[Sir Brad]

thanks for the catch on the spelling mistake, got passed Spell-check because it's a real word.

Initially the TL 8 gun was going to be selectable fire, making it a Snub SMG, but I thought that would be a bit much so I dropped the auto fire option from the TL 8 weapon and made it a part of the TL 10 follow on weapon.

 

[McPerth]

All Carbon fibre and low density polymers along with some low mass ceramics, it's not like it has the high chamber pressers to require ballistic steel, or needs the mass to offset recoil or Frame strength to survive firing stress, it is just a Combat Snub Pistol (that masses 250g) with a barrel extension and consolable stock that together triples the Mass. Darn thing probably looks and fells like a Nerf gun.

Any weapon should support a folding bayonet.

What dude said! Seriously, if your laser rifle doesn't have the strength to mount and use a bayonet, you have made a crappy weapon.

Now, I understand even with proper strength you only want to use a bayonet as the last resort since any stress to the barrel can potentially throw it out of alignment, but it should be able to mount one.

Every rifle should able to, in emergencies, be turned into Club TL-1 or Spear TL-2. It may be Government Ammo^SM, but even with support ammo can run out. Steel does not need ammo to hurt people, just a good solid swing or thrust.

Just my 2 CrImps.

And you bet my serious forces both government and merc (such as I would run) have, train, and if need be, use bayonets on whatever long arm they are issued.

Sorry to quote here something from another thread (in fact from another forum too), but, do you think this would apply to your weapon?

 

[Sir Brad]

well the name is a bit of a misnomer, the weapon is really just a long barrel pistol with a stock, and although their are a few there ain't that many pistols that will except a Blade accessory, PDW's don't except Blades as do most SMG's and lots of modern Assault Carbines don't either.

Hell a Boarding Carbine even if it did have the construction to support a Bayonet, it doesn't have the length to use one effectively your better off drawing your Rapier Sword or Blade if it gets down to Melee.

 

[mike wightman]

Rapier, sword or blade?

Stuff that.

Cutlass or boarding axe ftw

 

[Sir Brad]

A Cutlass needs to much room to be swung and needs 0.657-1.528g to be used effectively, the Cutlass is a Slashing/Chopping blade, Thrusting is it's weakest manurer, it can be used to Cut, Cut/Thrust and Thrust/Cut. even the Thrusting, Cutting and Cut/Thrust and Thrust/Cut tend to be reliant on Gravity.

a better choice would be something evolved from the Elizabethan English Rapier Sword, a Double edged sword with a thrusting tip slightly shorter and heaver than Continental Rapiers, primary a thrusting weapon it is also highly capable in cutting, Slashing, Cut/Thrust and Thrust/Cut techniques though capable of Chopping it is the weapons weak suit but not noticeable so. A Rapier Sword will be less adversary effected by low and 0g environments than a conventional sword or Cutlass.

 

[Enoki]

Rapier, sword or blade?

Stuff that.

Cutlass or boarding axe ftw

Realistically? If I had to do a boarding myself on something akin to a naval ship-like enviroment, it'd be a bag of less than lethal munitions like flash bangs, sting balls, and such along with a 10 or 12ga shotgun.

An improved version of a cut shell would be one choice for loads. That is, a round that fires much like a shrapnel shell. It hits something comes apart and sprays the immediate vicinity with say #4 shot.

The combo would be very effective for clearing the next compartment. In goes a flash bang (concussion grenade) followed by a couple of sting balls and then the far bulkhead turns into the backstop for spraying the entire compartment with shot.

Aiming? Nah! Just trash the entire compartment and everyone in it with area weapons......

 

[Xerxeskingofking]

well the name is a bit of a misnomer, the weapon is really just a long barrel pistol with a stock, and although their are a few there ain't that many pistols that will except a Blade accessory, PDW's don't except Blades as do most SMG's and lots of modern Assault Carbines don't either.

Hell a Boarding Carbine even if it did have the construction to support a Bayonet, it doesn't have the length to use one effectively your better off drawing your Rapier Sword or Blade if it gets down to Melee.

see, the modern british army issues bayonets on thier 750mm assault rifles....and people have used them in modern combat.

not very many, but a few. almost all it a "mag runs dry just as terry taliban comes around the corner" sort of way, where stopping to draw another weapon would be a fatal mistake. Any milspec weapon needs to be tough enough to be used as a club, because somebody is going to use it as such at some point, plus combat involves a lot of running, jumping, diving for cover and other activites not suited to something that breaks easily.

 

[samuelvss]

see, the modern british army issues bayonets on thier 750mm assault rifles....and people have used them in modern combat.

not very many, but a few. almost all it a "mag runs dry just as terry taliban comes around the corner" sort of way, where stopping to draw another weapon would be a fatal mistake. Any milspec weapon needs to be tough enough to be used as a club, because somebody is going to use it as such at some point, plus combat involves a lot of running, jumping, diving for cover and other activites not suited to something that breaks easily.

A bayonet, in the here-and-now, is a psychological weapon. Last mass use in a force-on-force situation I am aware of is the Falklands. (No one was bayonetted, but the company with the upper hand dropped their stuff and ran away when the other company fixed bayonets and charged, yes, "charged"The terror factor of an SA-80 with a bayonet, one might say, is less than the L1A1 (the Brit version of the FN FAL). The stress put on the weapon is of a far different sort than that caused by ballistics, and the length of the weapon is critical. This is why bayonets were never really a hit on sub-guns. A bayonet on such a light carbine seems a bit impractical.

 

[Otto Harkaman]

 

[BlackBat242]

A bayonet, in the here-and-now, is a psychological weapon. Last mass use in a force-on-force situation I am aware of is the Falklands. (No one was bayonetted, but the company with the upper hand dropped their stuff and ran away when the other company fixed bayonets and charged, yes, "charged"The terror factor of an SA-80 with a bayonet, one might say, is less than the L1A1 (the Brit version of the FN FAL). The stress put on the weapon is of a far different sort than that caused by ballistics, and the length of the weapon is critical. This is why bayonets were never really a hit on sub-guns. A bayonet on such a light carbine seems a bit impractical.

Actually, those bastions of tradition, the British Army, have used the bayonet charge repeatedly since then.



Battle of Tumbledown

U.S. Urban Warfare Analysis Center Executive Summary of British Bayonet Charge in Basra

FEARLESS Scots troops killed enemy insurgents with BAYONETS during a daring raid in Afghanistan.


Strange... the Falklands charge was by the 2nd Battalion, Scots Guards, and both the Iraq and Afghanistan events featured the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders!

As a Scot myself, I'm rather proud.

 

[Sir Brad]

I to Have Scots Blood running in my Aussie veins (all three parts of my name are Scots to boot), and as I've told my friends of English and other heritages on many occasions.

"Never mess with a Ginger Sociopath in a Skirt" and other such warnings

 

[Xerxeskingofking]

A bayonet, in the here-and-now, is a psychological weapon. Last mass use in a force-on-force situation I am aware of is the Falklands. (No one was bayonetted, but the company with the upper hand dropped their stuff and ran away when the other company fixed bayonets and charged, yes, "charged"The terror factor of an SA-80 with a bayonet, one might say, is less than the L1A1 (the Brit version of the FN FAL). The stress put on the weapon is of a far different sort than that caused by ballistics, and the length of the weapon is critical. This is why bayonets were never really a hit on sub-guns. A bayonet on such a light carbine seems a bit impractical.

as has been said, the brits have used bayonets since the falklands.

I aggree that they have a large psychological factor (they always have), but my point that modern soldiers fighting in real combat have used bayonets. I'd also point out that clearing a afgan compound in somewhat simmilar to clearing a starship (in that it involves entering a clearing a series of small, closed off rooms and securing them).


I'm also familar with bout the L1A1 and the L85A2 rifles, being a seving solider in the british army. (fun fact of the day: the Argies were also using the FN FAL as thier standard small arm.)

 

[Otto Harkaman]

I think it was a bayonet charge by a highland regiment that drove the Russians from the ridge at Balaclava.

Isn't Napoleon quoted in a movie about Waterloo looking at the Highland regiments on the ridge saying to a staff officer "Is this all he has to offer, a bunch of amazons?" Not realizing Wellington was smart to mass his troops on the other side of the ridge line out of direct artillery fire.

 

[Xerxeskingofking]

I think it was a bayonet charge by a highland regiment that drove the Russians from the ridge at Balaclava.

Isn't Napoleon quoted in a movie about Waterloo looking at the Highland regiments on the ridge saying to a staff officer "Is this all he has to offer, a bunch of amazons?" Not realizing Wellington was smart to mass his troops on the other side of the ridge line out of direct artillery fire.

not quite.

the right, it was a highland regiment at Balaclava, but thier feat of arms was stopping a russain cavalry charge while deployed in a 2 deep line, rather than in the orthodox 4 deep square. this was the orginal "thin red line". the Heavy Brigade of Cavalry then countercharged the russains and drove them back, thus saving the british army they and the highlanders were screening,


I've never heard that quote about the highlanders at waterloo before. it's True that Napoleon held the british in comtempt, and Wellington in particular (napoleon managed to go the whole 23 years of war with britain without ever fighting the british himself until waterloo. He saw Wellington as a "indian general", who'd won his fame agianst the poorly led indian armies, and disregarded the advice of his marshals who;d fought british before). It's also true that the bulk of the Anglo-Dutch-Belgian army (only about 50% of the army at waterloo was actually in the British army, and a only then if you count the Kings German Legion as english) were deployed on the reverse slope, apart form one brigade that was deployed in the othordox foreward slope position (its commander had not been told of the british practice of reverse slope defense), the skirmish line, and the two strongpoints, which were strongly held.


the french knew that most of the birtish army was deployed behind the ridge. I think napoleons commnet must not be taken literally, but more figurativly (i.e. "is that bunch of blokes in skirts the best troops the british can offer?")