Avenger PDF's

[Jeffr0]

Okay... what happened to these guys...?

Is there any way to get the Golden Age line PDF's with the CT stats...?

Is Marc planning a CD Rom of these...?

 

[far-trader]

Okay... what happened to these guys...?

License sunset just like most of the rest of non-Mongoose Traveller when Mongoose Publishing was made lead line producer.

Is there any way to get the Golden Age line PDF's with the CT stats...?

Nope.

Is Marc planning a CD Rom of these...?

Seems doubtful given the history.

 

[Jeffr0]

Dang. I bought the wrong stuff then.

I purchased every single 1248 item but they're now available on CD-Rom....

If there was a "Golden Age" CD-Rom, I'd buy the sucker.

 

[AlegisDownport]

I'd second that if a Golden Age CDROM was made available, I'd buy it in a shot. I just started getting into Traveller just as these PDF's were becoming unavailable and missed purchasing them.

However, as already mentioned it is unlikely these will ever be released

 

[Matt123]

However, as already mentioned it is unlikely these will ever be released

Why?

 

[far-trader]

I'd second that if a Golden Age CDROM was made available, I'd buy it in a shot. I just started getting into Traveller just as these PDF's were becoming unavailable and missed purchasing them.

However, as already mentioned it is unlikely these will ever be released

Why?

Several issues, none of which really need repeating or reopening. Call it irreconcilable differences. At least that's the strong impression presented. Count yourself lucky to have missed it all.

 

[Jeffr0]

I have the following Avenger products. Many of them were produced for T20 and then reworked for CT.

Adventure 1 Call of the Wild-- one PDF with T20 *and* CT stats
Adventure 2 Range War-- one PDF with T20 *and* CT stats
Campaign Adventure 1 Homecoming-- CT stats only
Cluster Book 1 The Bowman Arm-- System free except for UWP's
Golden Age Starships 1 Fast Courier-- CT stats only
Golden Age Starships 6 Corsair-- one PDF with T20 *and* CT stats
Golden Age Starships 8 Armed Free Trader-- one PDF with T20 *and* CT stats
Grand Fleet-- appears to be system-free
Special Supplement 3 Patron Encounters-- appears to be system-free
Special Supplement 5 Short Adventures-- appears to be system-free
System Guide 1 Datrillion-- one PDF with T20 *and* CT stats
System Guide 2 Flexos-- System free except for UWP's

As I said before... the complete 1248 line is available on CD-Rom from FFE. I think I saw One Crowded Hour for sale from Mongoose. I expect Homecoming to be included on the upcoming T20 CD.

I think I'm mainly missing the rest of the Starship books and the conclusion to the Adventures. Did they ever come out with part 3 or was it never finished...?

[This is not a request for illegal copies-- there's plenty of legal Traveller material to buy right now, but I do hope these become available somehow. My first Traveller campaign went from the Bowman arm to Flexos and Datrillion and on to Steel because of these products....]

 

[E.D.Quibell]

Check out the Flaming Cobra Imprint from Mongoose:

Project Steel covers:
Adventure 1 Call of the Wild
Adventure 2 Range War
and has the last instalment as well

Crowded Hours covers:
Type S
The Windermann incident
One Crowded Hour
Fiddlers Green

The Golden Age Starships covers:
Fast Courier
Corsiar
LSP Modular Starship
Sword Worlds Patrol Cruiser
Small craft and space station

and you can get Patron Encounters in PDF

and Grand Fleet is MgT Sector Fleet.

So lots of the Avenger Material is still available via MgT.

Best regards,

Ewan

 

[Hal]

One thing I am coming to hate about PDF publications, is the fact that they have destroyed the second hand market.

If a pdf goes out of production for what ever reason, it is impossible to get your hands on that document in the future.

 

[AndreaV]

One thing I am coming to hate about PDF publications, is the fact that they have destroyed the second hand market.

If a pdf goes out of production for what ever reason, it is impossible to get your hands on that document in the future.

Theoretically (at least under New Zealand Law when I did my post grad in e-commerce) you can sell a pdf you legitimately own (much like you can sell a piece of software), provided you retain no copies yourself.

Of course this is almost impossible to do in practice and even harder to prove you have.

 

[atpollard]

Theoretically (at least under New Zealand Law when I did my post grad in e-commerce) you can sell a pdf you legitimately own (much like you can sell a piece of software), provided you retain no copies yourself.

Of course this is almost impossible to do in practice and even harder to prove you have.

They need an expiration date like "orphaned software" so 10 year old PDFs can be distributed free and legal ... especially if they are no longer avilable for purchase.

Curse Mickey Mouse and his 'forver and ever' impact on copyright law.

 

[far-trader]

Theoretically (at least under New Zealand Law when I did my post grad in e-commerce) you can sell a pdf you legitimately own (much like you can sell a piece of software), provided you retain no copies yourself.

Interesting. The way I'd been led to understand it ages ago (and I can't see it having changed) software (at least most versions sold), like eBooks (whatever media i.e. pdf) was not sold as a tangible product but licensed to the user for personal use only. You aren't actually buying the software/eBook, only paying a fee to access it under very limited use restrictions, such as on a single device with occasionally an allowance to: make a backup copy for personal archival use and; install on more than one device. It's a little different when said sfotware or eBook is on a tangible media (DVD, CD, etc. typically with some DRM) where you can resell the tangible media without being able to (supposedly) retain the content.

I'm pretty sure* if you read the EUL (yeah, some do, most don't) at DTRPG it will state as much. That the download is personal use only and limited with no transfer rights (you can't even give it away) or resell.

* as in istr reading it that way years ago when I first signed up

 

[far-trader]

They need an expiration date like "orphaned software"...

Except that there is no such thing. Software licenses are handled under copyright law and "orphaned software" (like it's predecessor "abandonware") are fictions of the black hats to justify piracy. What we as users would like aside, that aint gonna happen.

 

[AndreaV]

Interesting. The way I'd been led to understand it ages ago (and I can't see it having changed) software (at least most versions sold), like eBooks (whatever media i.e. pdf) was not sold as a tangible product but licensed to the user for personal use only. You aren't actually buying the software/eBook, only paying a fee to access it under very limited use restrictions, such as on a single device with occasionally an allowance to: make a backup copy for personal archival use and; install on more than one device. It's a little different when said sfotware or eBook is on a tangible media (DVD, CD, etc. typically with some DRM) where you can resell the tangible media without being able to (supposedly) retain the content.

I'm pretty sure* if you read the EUL (yeah, some do, most don't) at DTRPG it will state as much. That the download is personal use only and limited with no transfer rights (you can't even give it away) or resell.

* as in istr reading it that way years ago when I first signed up

New Zealand law is likely different, its particularly "user friendly." We are the country that declared region zoning illegal anti-competative behaviour and our copyright law specifically permits things such as format shifting and copying for archival purposes.

 

[aramis]

Except that there is no such thing. Software licenses are handled under copyright law and "orphaned software" (like it's predecessor "abandonware") are fictions of the black hats to justify piracy. What we as users would like aside, that aint gonna happen.

Not quite.

Copyrights used to expire at 25 years unless renewed. Almost none got renewed unless making money.

The reason they were to expire was so that they would not prevent new takes on the same story, and also so that the story could become part of the cultural legacy. (Read Thos. Jefferson if you don't believe me.) Long enough to make a decent profit, short enough to expire within the lifespan.

Abandoned copyrights were often reprinted. Dirt cheaply; little more than the printing costs.

Abandonware is the same concept, but unlike the abandoned books of old, the renewal is now automatic, the initial period is now longer, and in many cases, the publisher is out of business and was a corporation, makig what was the way things were in the 1920's into a crime now. In many cases, the publishers don't wan't the abandonware sites down, either... it keeps the old game in the public consciousness, at no cost to the original publisher, and serves as free advertising...

Most of the abandonware sites' admins delete anything that's in current commercial release... including rerelease... most of them also have a "10 year" rule - nothing newer than 10 years old is to be uploaded.

It really is about preserving the games for posterity. At least with the abandonware sites I've been to.

 

[DaveChase]

To what aramis said, I see the same general policies on TV shows being put to DVD.

There are several sites where one can buy old cartoon or TV shows in DVD format but are not the commerial made by the studio ones.

Most fall under the 10 years or older and will stop 'trading' the DVD once (if) the studios do a commerical release.

Dave Chase