Corridor sizes?

[BetterThanLife]

OK Here is a Pop-Quiz.
Which of the following looks right? Which looks like the correct size of a typical Shipboard Corridor? And which is actually correct? (Note I did have to move them closer together for the third one otherwise they are the same poses and same position for each of the pictures.)



(I will supply sizes and answers shortly.

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[krullthewarriorking]

I personaly think that the second one looks the best, but as to wich one is correct i would say the third one. The first one is way to big and the last one way too small for my taste.

 

[BetterThanLife]

Oh and anyone want to guess actual sizes?

 

[RandyT0001]

Well, she looks better than (al)right to me! I'd be more than happy to escort her to my stateroom for some private and personel attention!

I'm assuming that the 'typical' shipboard corridor you refer to is five feet (1.5m).

1. Too big. Appears to be about 14'-15' wide.
2. Too big. Appears to be about 9'-10' wide.
3. Just right. Appears to be about 5' wide.
4. Too small. Appears to be about 3', maybe 4' (but I doubt it) wide.

If I win do I get a date with the female?

 

[BetterThanLife]

Originally posted by Randy Tyler:
Well, she looks better than (al)right to me! I'd be more than happy to escort her to my stateroom for some private and personel attention!

I'm assuming that the 'typical' shipboard corridor you refer to is five feet (1.5m).

1. Too big. Appears to be about 14'-15' wide.
2. Too big. Appears to be about 9'-10' wide.
3. Just right. Appears to be about 5' wide.
4. Too small. Appears to be about 3', maybe 4' (but I doubt it) wide.

If I win do I get a date with the female?

Send me mug shots and I might be able to arrange that. (Front Face and Left Profile, neutral expression.) Then back up the camera and give me an overview.

Your numbers are off a little though.

 

[c_osborne]

I'd say 12', 8', 5', and 4'.

Chad

 

[sid6.7]

well actually on some US naval ships
#4 would be close to standard....so
appears more realistic to me...

but with the bod of the sheila shes
gonna need at least #3 to move around
with out making all the crew "excited"....

i kinda like #3 myself for a sci-fi theme...

i imagine that maybe some larger capital ships
would be like #1,#2 or if you will HG ships
VS CT ships...

11 feet
7.5 feet
5 feet
3 feet

 

[jfetters]

I think three is the right one here, joining the consensus that it is about 5' wide.

 

[BetterThanLife]

OK And the Correct numbers are. (From Bottom to top.) (And the People are scaled correctly to these numbers.)

1 meter, (3.35 feet), 1.5 meters (Just under 5 feet and Traveller Deckplan standard.), 2.25 m (7.38 feet) and 3m (9.7 feet). The software is set up to do Metric the English dimensions are approximations.) The Ceilings are about 2.75 meters. The funny thing is that the top one, if you measure between the arch and the door it is 4.5 meters, so the top one is a standard larger cabin from the Arch to the far wall.)

While two relatively unencumbered people can pass in the Standard 1.5m corridor it is a bit tight.


However the big guy in these two pictures is actually a little small for T-20 Battledress.

As you can see our young lady has changed.

Which is why I think the Standard of 1.5m corridors is a bit small.


Now to find the right furniture for a "Standard Sized Stateroom." (I have everything but a proper sized shower that looks right for the decor.

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[mike wightman]

Battle dress should be big, big enough to make maneuvering in ship corridors a problem.
Hence the use of combat armour instead.

Here's a link to a good study.
I like your battle dress image, but I think the middle picture is a better image for what a BD invader of a ship would look like to scale.

 

[BetterThanLife]

I usually recolor it to the Traditional Imperial Marine Maroon, but i didn't bother today.

Actually Sigg, the BD is too small. It is about 190vls. (My design for Marine Battledress is 249 and the Stock THB Battledress is 300.) They couldn't even get into a hallway. And Combat Armor isn't really any better on these narrow 1.5m corridors.


The lead trooper is just as likely to get shot in the back as someone that pops into view. (And one of the early things I learned in MOUT (Maneuvering Over Urban Terrain)is you stay off the walls as ricochets tend to travel along walls.) Further the lead trooper is about as likely to snag the barrel on the wall as be able to bring it around. And a Plasma Gun or a grenade is likely to just kill everyone in the hallway. (Overpressure is a bitch.)

Ursa come in at between 300 and 400 vls (roughly) and forget about Virushi on any of the Standard Imperial design Starships.

But I wasn't just concerned about Battledress. I was thinking about Emergency situations, which unlike allowing an assault force to maneuver is actually something that the designers have to take into account. Weighed down and bulked up by Vacsuits, carrying firefighting equipment towards an emergency and bodies away from an emergency, there isn't enough room in a 1.5m hallway to pass.

 

[BetterThanLife]

For those that didn't see the pics, apparently putting them on my Geocities page and linking to them there was a bad idea. I have them hosted someplace else now.

 

[BetterThanLife]

Oh and Sigg, Since Marines are the Imperium's Shipboard experts their equipment should have been designed with shipboard assaults in mind. So Battledress should fit down corridors.

 

[aramis]

I think #4 is right, or maybe a couple inches shy.

 

[far-trader]

Hey, 1.5m is the standard. it's what the book says

And it's enough. Plenty for military ships and comfortable for small passenger ships. Luxury cruise ships and yachts might have wider corridors in passenger areas.

So who says that just because Impy Marines may use BD that it's what they use for boarding actions?

First not every IM is gonna be a BD Trooper. Second even the ones who are will typically be Drop Troopers or landed for planetary assault. I don't see them being boarding parties, you need maneuvering room and nowhere near the lethality that BD is.

Combat Armor is a lot lighter than BD.

YMMV but it's not the way I see Traveller in the bulk of the rules sets

 

[mike wightman]

Couple of things

The T20 vl scale is hopelessly broken

Battle dress is going to be a lot bigger than combat armour, the mechanical augmentation, sensor suite, power plant/battery pack make sure of that.

The example of IM in Kinunir has the Jump Troopers section as the only one of the three sections all trained in battle dress. Armoured vacc suits/combat armour would be the armour of choice for the Boarding Party IMHO.

Keep the BD for planetary assault

 

[mike wightman]

Originally posted by BetterThanLife:
But I wasn't just concerned about Battledress. I was thinking about Emergency situations, which unlike allowing an assault force to maneuver is actually something that the designers have to take into account. Weighed down and bulked up by Vacsuits, carrying firefighting equipment towards an emergency and bodies away from an emergency, there isn't enough room in a 1.5m hallway to pass.

Ever seen firefighting drill on a warship or submarine?
I can only go by what I've seen on Discovery etc. but a Traveller corridor at 1.5m looks positively spacious compared to what real world navies have to practice damage control on.

 

[BetterThanLife]

Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Couple of things

The T20 vl scale is hopelessly broken

Battle dress is going to be a lot bigger than combat armour, the mechanical augmentation, sensor suite, power plant/battery pack make sure of that.

The example of IM in Kinunir has the Jump Troopers section as the only one of the three sections all trained in battle dress. Armoured vacc suits/combat armour would be the armour of choice for the Boarding Party IMHO.

Keep the BD for planetary assault

Even Combat Armor is a bit tight for corridors. (Though I should have used Pistols instead of Gauss Rifles.

) As for Planetary assaults, Have you really looked at typical Traveller Planets? More than half of them the Population lives primarily indoors on some inhospitable rock.

"For the Earth is hollow, and I have touched the sky!"

 

[rhoneycutt]

#4 looks right based on my memories of the navy
besides, IMTU, space ships are cramped low-tech ( by trav conventions )
Also...don't forget the various electrical junction boxes/ditribution boards and everything else in a utilitarian "nothing is hidden behind fancy hi-tech looking fiberglass panels" type enviroment

besides..(IMTU) battledress is more like a one-man legged AFV and would not be used in combat on a ship anyways...and combat armor isn't that big of a deal because of mass issues.....without going over and adding too much mass for a soldier to fight while carrying...even BSD would only give an average AV of about 4 or 5.....no strength augmentation, ya know.

ytu<>mtu

 

[BetterThanLife]

Number 3 is 1.5m and is right in accordance with the standard deckplans. It is also about right compared to current and past Wet Naval vessels.

However Space is even more unforgiving than the Ocean. In an emergency on a commercial vessel with panicy passengers, and vacsuits, the corridors are a bit tight.

However more to the point, the standard idea of a starship is influenced by Hollywood, at least mine is. Even the Firefly, had wider corridors than this. The space shuttle and the International Space Station appear to have wider corridors than this. I am not saying that a starship won't have nooks and cranies, narrow access corridors, or that purely military ships won't have smaller corridors than comercial ships. But these 1.5m hallways just look too narrow. (And we aren't really taking into account the thickness, if any, of the walls.)