Etra

[77topaz]

Lo and behold! I've put Manually Reviewed Data^TM on Explorerbase for the Etra subsectors! To increase convenience and limit the need for further vetting, I've put the data in the new T5 Second Survey data format with T5-style base codes, though Wikispaces still seems to dislike whitespace.

 

[maksimsmelchak]

Never mind my questions about the bloc stuff. While it can't be found in the CT AM or Rats & Cats, it seems to be part of the Wiki page for some reason. The fannish need to fill in all the blanks has struck again. A few alliances within the Twenty Nine had been mentioned in the past but someone somewhere decided all the alliances needed to be written down no matter what loss in setting flexibility results.

The Tlaukhu alliance blocs come from canon sources, Whipsnade, if I am not mistaken.

They are and were defined.

Of course, that only represents the status of the alliances as a snapshot in 11116 or 1118 depending on how you want to take it.

Those alliances could probably change overnight. That would be the chaotic element of a monoculture facing the reality of a non-monolithic (un- or not unified) state...

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

 

[aramis]

The Tlaukhu alliance blocs come from canon sources, Whipsnade, if I am not mistaken.

They are and were defined.

Of course, that only represents the status of the alliances as a snapshot in 11116 or 1118 depending on how you want to take it.

Those alliances could probably change overnight. That would be the chaotic element of a monoculture facing the reality of a non-monolithic (un- or not unified) state...

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

Only some were defined.

It's also worth noting that the Tlaukhu isn't the government. It's the Aslan's non-authoritative consulting room of the 29 most powerful clans.

 

[maksimsmelchak]

Only some were defined.

It's also worth noting that the Tlaukhu isn't the government. It's the Aslan's non-authoritative consulting room of the 29 most powerful clans.

Agreed.

*** Which ones were not defined, Aramis? ***

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

 

[aramis]

Agreed.

*** Which ones were not defined, Aramis? ***

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

In the CT AM, only one clan is named... and not specified to be one of the Tlaukhu.

 

[maksimsmelchak]

In the CT AM, only one clan is named... and not specified to be one of the Tlaukhu.

Thanks!

I was thinking of the MT material.

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

 

[Whipsnade]

The Tlaukhu alliance blocs come from canon sources, Whipsnade, if I am not mistaken.

You are mistaken.

They are and were defined.

They are not defined to the level you believe they are.

Of course, that only represents the status of the alliances as a snapshot in 11116 or 1118 depending on how you want to take it.

That's about the only thing you've got right.

Those alliances could probably change overnight. That would be the chaotic element of a monoculture facing the reality of a non-monolithic (un- or not unified) state...

No they wouldn't. While there would be constant changes below the level of the 29, S&A makes it pretty clear that alliances involving the 29 see glacial changes. Re-read the description of the "Sneaky/Assassin" clan's advancement into the ranks of the 29 and pay attention to how rare that accomplishment is.

I miss Hans Rancke for many reasons and one of those is that canon has lost it's BULLDOG. When I see the Traveller Wiki being flooded more and more with poor research, mistaken assumptions, and outright incomprehension, I miss Hans even more.

I'm reminded of Amerigo Vespucci. He made only a few minor voyages to the Western Hemisphere and while he was among the first to correctly guess that new continents rather than the eastern edge of Asia had been found, his name was attached to the two continents found there because he basically spammed the European-wide "republic of letters" discussing the New World.

 

[aramis]

Thanks!

I was thinking of the MT material.

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

MT Reb SB:
Yerlyaruiwo and the Khaukheair - specified to be the two most powerful mebers of the 29 at the time of jum drive. (p 69)
Yerlyaruiwo-Tralyeaeaw War (p. 70)
Hlyueawi Clan Joins 29 (p. 70)
Akhailrau #340; Aroaye’i: #397; Hlyueawi: #6; Kaukheairl: #2; Loakhtarl: #730; Raohkeil: #450; Syoisuis: #3; Tralyeaeawi:#4; Yerlyaruiwo: #1 (p. 71. # is ranking as of 1016)

MT IE:
Yerlyaruiwo (p 19)

MT HT:
Yerlyaruiwo (p 16)

I can't find my Rats-N-Cats to check that... but it's "forbidden canon" anyway.

MT itself gives us only 5 of the 29. Clans 5 and 7-29 are not specified.
1. Yerlyaruiwo
2. Kaukheairl
3. Syoisuis
4. Tralyeaeawi
6. Hlyueawi
——— Continuing on the known non-29 clans
340. Akhailrau
397. Aroaye’i
450. Raohkeil
730. Loakhtarl

As far as stability...

Of the original 29, nineteen
of the original clans remain in it today; the remaining ten positions
have been occupied (some by a succession of clans) by new
clans which have risen in strength, power and population to replace
the others. (AM1: Aslan, p. 5)​

Oh and I need to amend my prior statement; AM1 does mention
Yerlyaruiwo, Kaukheairl, (p. 3), Hlyueawi, Aroaye'i (vassal of Hlyueawi), Wahtoi (vassal of Aroaye'i), (p. 7), Loakhtarl, Hkastahistoti, (p 36), Raohkeil (p 39) Several of these, first time through, I misconstrued as locations... none are called out as still in the Tlakhu, but Yerlyaruiwo & Kaukheairl are implied as such.

 

[kilemall]

Defined by paper limits did you say?

Well, why not make use of that?

Say, folds in jumpspace where it is some sort of unknown barrier that does not allow jump travel across it?

A tear in jumpspace, or an indication of another folded inside jumpspace along those lines?

Perhaps a leftover jumpspace base within, the El Dorado of Ancients' Artifacts?

Anyway, isolation for both polities on either side of the jump tear, only crossable by STL ships in normal space.

I have no idea if this helps, just something different to handle such cases.