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Fourth Imperium

kafka47

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MJD, hope this inspires... (and hope others join in)

The Fourth Imperium: the living fossil

The collapse of the Third Imperium during the period of Hard Time was not the end of empire as such. Emperors who described themselves as Imperials still reigned from the planet of Phoenix (present day Delphi), for 500 years after the Dulnor incursion to Capital, behind the Black Curtain. The empire today is usually called the Fourth Imperium, but the emperors and their subjects still regarded themselves as citizens of the great Third Imperium, although their language was Cutheric (a language devised by the traders and spacing guild based an obscure dialect of Galanglic). Through much of the splendor of the Fourth Imperium with its luxurious royal palaces, its libraries and public institutions, its scholars acquainted with the writings of Solomani and Imperial antiquity, its 300 worlds and its magnificent palace (TL G) stood out as the one redoubt of culture against the poverty, illiteracy, superstition and endless wars that characterized the rest of Charted Space.

Yet the Fourth Imperium added very little to humanity’s ability to make a livelihood or to its knowledge in those 500 years. In every sphere it relied on advances already known to the old Regency and Reformation Coalition and already known to the Third Imperium before that.

The floating TL G palace completed in 50 NE, was the most magnificent building in Charted Space at the time. But it also marked the end of the Fourth Imperium architects. The innovative techniques employed were not used again, and later architects did not know how to keep it in repair. Hence its resting-place on Table Mountain, is by design not by accident of the Corthian Howling Winds, as claimed by some. Fourth Imperium literature was characterized by a deliberate rejection of originality, with a striving to emulate the style of the classic models and to serve a set of pedantic rules…No literary value was attached to originality of content, freedom of invention, or freedom in the choice of subject matter. The obsession with imitating the past meant the language was the classic Rim Galanglic of 1000 years before not the very different version employed in the empire’s squares and spacelines. When making a formal speech, the orator would shrink from referring to any object by its familiar name. Fourth Imperial art was characterized by a process of continuous limitation until it became nothing more than propaganda, either for the imperial power or for the Yodites.

There were few advances in technology. Alchemists stumbled upon new methods of creating materials, although “scientific methodology” was all but destroyed by the superimposition of occult practices. There were improvements in the manufacture of starships that permitted an uninterrupted flow of trade among the worlds of the truncated Imperium. There were improvements in communication technologies with the acquisition of knowledge from the Hivers on how to make Virus-resistant computers, with several high tech components. Gravatics, jump physics, genetic engineering, terraforming were considered technologies that had brought upon the downfall of humanity, hence discouraged. Yet these advances seem to be employed only in two limited fields to provide luxuries for the ruling class and for military purposes.

There was not even a limited advance in science. A few manuscripts survived which detailed the discoveries in mathematics and astrophysics of the Third Imperium; all but a handful of scholars ever took them seriously. Mainstream thinkers relied upon interpretations from the Book Yod for the understanding of the physical universe.


Josefchais the Historian
Looking Back and Looking Forward.
 
While I imagine your vision expressed here is very different from that planned by MJD, I would ask that people be very careful about posting expansive expositions like this. All these can do is hurt, not help in his effort.

All it would take to prevent MJD from being able to publish the TNE sourcebook is for someone to manage to guess very close to what his vision is. If that happens, and that person wishes to be uncooperative, then MJD's entire effort will likely never see the light of day.

I am not asking for people to stop posting. I am just asking for people to be considerate. The more guesses and expositions posted here, the less room MJD has to operate in.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by daryen:
While I imagine your vision expressed here is very different from that planned by MJD, I would ask that people be very careful about posting expansive expositions like this. All these can do is hurt, not help in his effort.

All it would take to prevent MJD from being able to publish the TNE sourcebook is for someone to manage to guess very close to what his vision is. If that happens, and that person wishes to be uncooperative, then MJD's entire effort will likely never see the light of day.

I am not asking for people to stop posting. I am just asking for people to be considerate. The more guesses and expositions posted here, the less room MJD has to operate in.
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I had not thought of it that way. For me, posting helps clarify and hone a vision. I conceptualize the creative process as being an elastic between vision (which I hope all postings can contribute) and reality (the nuts & bolts of actually writing something).

Sorry MJD, if this is not your method...
 
I don't asa rule take much notice of other people's ideas. I don't mean thsat in a bad way, just that I have a strong vision and there are dozens of other ideas out there, all drawn from the same core data. I'll do it my way, and if it's similar to the stuff someone posted, fine. I won't be hostage to not doing what someone else posted... soo feel free to post your ideas, unless you're worried that I might steal them.
 
heh, I don't know, could be kinda cool to have MJD "steal" an idea, think of the braggin rights at the game table...

just adding fuel to the fire hehehe...
 
MJD:

My main concern was not that you would take someone else's ideas, but that someone could claim you did. Regardless of the actual situation, it could open you up to various intellectual property issues. That was my concern.

In no way do I want to stifle any discussion, but I do also want to see results of your sourcebook without having anyone trying to claim a piece of it from you.

If you don't think it is a concern, then I won't either. :) Sorry for the misplaced worry.
 
It could be an issue, true - which is one reason for my public statement NOW that I don't take much notice.

But since we're all drawing on the same hints and canon, from a common perspective, then I'm taking the stance that publishers mantion in their disclaimers to submitting authors - "we may already have something on our desks that looks like what you submit. so don't get shirty..." pretty much.
 
So if people want to speculate or suggest what might be cool, that's okay. The vision is already set, but it's sometimes useful to know what players want. I won't be constrained either by what folks shout loudly IT SHOULD BE LIKE, nor will I avoid what others have posted first. It's a free forum; people can post what they like.
 
I am glad to hear about your openness, MJD.

The Trial

High upon a rocky crag, there sets Forlorn Keep. Lighting flashes overhead. A hard rain falls. The air is tainted from years of industrial pollutants, when this world was an industrial powerhouse for the subsector...back in the days of the Third Imperium. The thunder seems to shake the walls of the maxicrete castle.

The eyes of the local peasants stray downward as the sonic boom of the interplanetary shuttle breaks the silence. Something important is going on, that's for sure. But, it ain't my business to mess with the Lords.

The shuttle lands on one of the pads of Fornlorn Keep: Once the official residence of the Imperial governor, now the seat of the autocrat and king of this pathetic little backwater world. Exiting the shuttle is the Lord of this sector followed by a squad of heavily armoured marines. After the pleasantries are exchanged. The Lord motions and exiting the shuttle is a man in chains. The man's hair is mated, dressed in rags, and there is at least a two week growth of beard on his face who has clearly been tortured, broken who trips and falls face forward into the wet mud.

The Lord angry that his tunic has been soiled takes a stunner and zaps the prisoner into unconsciousness. The prisoner then hauled into a grate covered hole. The guards spit on the man. In the cell, is a peasant that has been sentenced to die for violating the King's security codes on the grain reserves. Approaching the man, asks what was his crime.

"...treason...against humanity." replies a broken voice.

The peasant is confused there is no such crime. The book of Yod states that all men are free to pursue their humanity. And, the man shakes his head, and says defiantly:

"There is no democracy in the Fourth Imperium!"

The peasant terrified screams for the guard, stating that he does not want to be incarcerated with a madman.

The next day, the weather has scarcely improved. The man is hauled before an august magistrate who asks him to say his name for the record.

"...my...name is...Lon", searching as if it was a distant memory "...Maggart", in a final broken croak.

"And, how do you plead?" asked the magistrate.

"Guilty." replied the broken man.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by daryen:
Sounds like your Fourth Imperium is even worse than Lucan's.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Behind the curtain

In the smothering underbelly of what was once a garden planet. Industry buzzed and hummed to maximum efficiency, thought the taskmaster. "These worthless organics, their only value is to expendible." it silently thought to itself.

Immediately there was the chorus of angels screaming countervailing and arguements in favor. Then silence, as the central computer weighed into the argument. "It was by the wisdom of Lu-can, that were created. Organics have some place, all praise the mighty creator."

"All praise the mighty Lu-can." intoned millions of mechanical voices and went back to work.

The soot and grime coated everywhere, it was not a modern factory completely automated. Organics ran this factory as a corporation rather than as a combine. Theirs was a fidelity to something higher than efficiency. They carefully avoided the constant patrols through tapping into the central computer to find out when the inspections would take place. It was hard to imagine that these frugal utopianists sought to do. But, it was their job to fashion the parts that kept the brain alive. For the 1001 robots that inhabited this planet did not care. Sure there was hommage to the emperor, but that more symbolic and something to keep the lower orders in place. The rhetoric was to create an equalitarian and efficient society but these robots managed to breath new life into the phrase "tin pot dictatorship". For all thousand different strains of virus, one dominated over all others. A type of mastercode, rumoured created by the mad Lucan himself.

Slowly the human population was depleting despite the robots forced breeding programming. "They were planning something..." thought Althosas For a moment, there was a break in the clouds and Althosas saw the sun. He reflected how once the sun was a symbol of a bright and wonderful future, now was transformed into a symbol of tyranny and despotism that never been seen. Every day, people disappeared into the vast underground warrens of the city where the robots had their manufactories. Out came the twisted and mutulated forms of cyborgs. Not cyborgs that were present in Third Imperium, but hideous creations that were more machine than man. It was if someone had some sort of sadistic pleasure breaking the human body and replacing it with spare parts. And, that emerged had the same vacant look. "But, they were not going to catch me..." confidently thought Althosas. For knew of million places in the old city were securobots would not go. That is if the radiation did not get to him first. The sun was once again obscured by the smoke from the stacks. "Perhaps there was...no hope, no future." as he held the laspistol to his head.

THX 138 glided to the monitoring station. There it delicately handled the controls and bowed. The light from the bacatank became illuminated. A disembodied brain spoke through a mechanical voder: "I know nothing, I tell you again, I know nothing." THX 138
turned another dial, and the voice screamed before silence again. "Somewhere in there the secret lies. Or perhaps, that was it. It is all a lie."

Lucan's brain once again spilt into a thousand or more personalities that allowed him to ommipotent. EMPEROR-SUPERBEING-GOD

In the depths of the noble's residental quarter, there was a single flash of light perhaps, a shot from a laspistol. The central computer duly noted that organic 123-5433-6334-FED-3 had ceased existance.


[This message has been edited by kafka47 (edited 09 April 2002).]
 
OK, so your Imperium IS Lucan's Imperium. (Or at least resultant from it.)

Even still, if that is the environment I'm gonna join Althosas.

And if we are going to keep having a little fun here, I can see the "dark" part of your setting. Where is the "hope" part?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by daryen:
OK, so your Imperium IS Lucan's Imperium. (Or at least resultant from it.)

Well...it certainly is not the Fourth Imperium
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The Husk

It had been travelling for years abandoned. It outer shell had accumulated so much intersellar dirt and dust. However, a scan revealed organic life.

The Children of Earth knew their legends about comets as being harbringers of doom. But, there was also the legend of a new star appearing in the horizon and the birth of something wonderful. Where did it come from? There was only one way to find out. With most of few remaining starships grounded from the last Vampire raid. There was only the old fashioned rockets left. And, one chance to meet the strange object which had curiously slowed upon arrival into the system...
 
Okay, further to earlier commments... anyone want to share what they want from the M1248 book?
 
What I would like to see is the current dispositions of the "big" empires: Zhodani, Solomani, Julian, Aslan, Vargr, Hivers and K'kree.

I would also like to see what is going on in the Spinward Marches and Solomani Rim.

In the Spinward Marches, how are the Daryens and Sword Worlds faring? With the influence of the Regency and Zhodani waining, they should both have opportunity to prosper. I would also like to see some more small human states too. And please let the Vargr and Aslan get beat up some.

In the Solomani Rim, (the obvious question) what is going on at Terra? Is some vestigate of the Confederation still around? Does the 4I reach that far? Are they in/run their own pocket empire? Is it a glowing cinder?
 
Just to continue the thoughts on the Marches. (This is *not* short.)

- The Zhodani were crumbling last we saw. How about if they have retreated off map, and what is left is a Zhodani client state that holds about 60% of what they held before.

- It is pretty amazing that the Regency would faulter, given its increadibly strong position in TNE. However, you have said they will disintegrate. All I can think is that recontact with the new 4I has destroyed the Regency.

If that is correct, I would like to see the 4I influence limited to the four trailing subsectors (especially Mora, Rhylanor and Trin).

If it is going to collapse, I figure its more egalitarian society (i.e. no nobles) was a root cause. If so, maybe we could have a small polity centered on Regina holding the flame for the new Regency structure.

- I figure the Daryens were a perfect position to prosper. They are a cohesive and stable society that is more than able to operate in isolation when necessary. I figure they are probably the same size as show in TNE and expanding their influence into Foreven, Five Sisters and Querion.

- The Sword Worlds would have a chance at reemergence after the Regency fails. They should be able to reorganize at least in the worlds in the SW subsector, and start spreading influence, especially into Vilis and Plankwell. BTW, I don't assume they reunify completely, and might still have more than one government, but internal strife should be at a minimum.

I also figure the Daryens and SW probably leave each other alone, and engage in open trade. Since there is so much open area around them, it would be stupid to fight each other. (At least for the forseable future.)

- The Aslan should be able to cement their influence in Glisten and the surrounds. But I would think they would not be able to expand easily beyond that. At this point, with there should be some type of organized Human Defence Force that most/all human polities subscribe to to keep the Aslan going elsewhere.

I don't care how nasty Aslan warriors can be. When sufficiently pissed off, humans can be even nastier and can be more cohesive.

- The Vargr would still be a problem on the corward edge, but no more than shown in TNE.

- Let the Droyne in Andor/Candory be independent and operate openly. There is no real "polity" around them, but they openly operate as active, independent Droyne worlds.

- Finally, this leaves large, open, independent areas in Jewel, Aramis, Querion, Vilis, Lanth, Five Sisters, and Plankwell for the lots of adventure.

I realize this is probably nothing even close to what you like, plan or even intend. But you did ask ;), and this is what *I* would like to see in the Spinward Marches.

[This message has been edited by daryen (edited 12 April 2002).]
 
Yeah:

Bring the Darrians in from the cold . . .

. . . and make the Droyne of the 5 Sisters something to be reckoned with (e.g recycle and develop the Muodray plot of BTC)
 
I am not necessarily advocating "making the Droyne something to be reckoned with". I am just advocating getting them involved and off their planets.

Five Sisters should be the two Droyne worlds surrounded by independent human worlds. Maybe there is conflict/tension/intrigue, maybe not. Regardless I want to see the Droyne out and about.
 
Perhaps by saying 'something to be reckoned with' I was being a touch hyperbolic.

However, as I have said elsewhere on these boards - the Droyne have potentially high tech weapons (and even Ancient relics), insect mentality (e.g unfaltering Warriors) and the benefit of psionic invisibilty - quite a force to be reckoned with on a bad day!

I have always been fascinated by the Droyne and also by the latent potential set out in the Alien Realms supplement (which I understand is quite rare) for the Droyne to make the casting of Chirpers a racial mission.

This idea could be combined with the 'racist' attitude held by Humans to the Chirpers (as indicated in Research Station Gamma and elsewhere).

As to 'jedi' like characters in traveller - the Droyne can fill the role of psionic masters very well. I once had a highly psionic Sport Droyne as an NPC whose mastery of psionic powers had made him one of the 'undying' outcasts of Droyne society.

He was a kind of Yoda character who the players needed to locate to assist in shutting down an Ancient super weapon that had inadvertently been revived by Imperial scientists.
 
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However, as I have said elsewhere on these boards - the Droyne have potentially high tech weapons (and even Ancient relics), insect mentality (e.g unfaltering Warriors) and the benefit of psionic invisibilty - quite a force to be reckoned with on a bad day!

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Why am I suddenly picturing the Niven-Pournelle "Moties" if they were "let out" of their home system?
 
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