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How Important Is Coffee?

How important is Coffee?


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Coffee some facts and an opinion + Coffee IMTU

Are you serious? Ok, well here goes . . .
I hope this doesn't sound too arrogant, it is not my intent to act like a professor or something, so if it sounds like that to any of you please know that wasn't my intention. You asked, so I am answering.

Coffee and nutrition facts:
Coffee is great and can be part of a nutritious diet. It has all kinds of anti-oxidants in it, so it helps keep you from aging and wards off cancer. As everyone knows, its a stimulant that helps wake you up and keep you going, literally. That's right, coffee aids the digestion and acts as a diuretic. Coffee enhances cognitive activity by reducing the effects of Adenosine, an inhibiting neurotransmitter. The caffeine in coffee helps you burn fat by increasing your metabolism and breaking down fatty acids in your tissues. There are studies that suggest coffee helps to prevent type II Diabetes, by helping to reduce blood-glucose levels. Other studies say, that Coffee may also lower the risk of Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease. Coffee is also supposedly good for the liver and helps lower the risk of Cirrhosis by helping the liver regenerate caused by alcohol and fructose (obviously if you are an alcoholic drinking coffee alone will not save your liver - you've got to get off the juice), but coffee may reduce the chances of liver cancer by up to 40% and up to 80% in healthy (non-alcoholic) individuals. Insurance actuaries say that drinking coffee may actually reduce a person's chance of dying (probably mostly by keeping them awake and aware). Finally, coffee contains lots of vitamins your body needs, like B5, B2, B3 and B1 as well as the minerals potassium and manganese.

All this is good provided you don't over-do it. More than 4 cups of coffee a day can cause anxiety, restlessness, sleeplessness, problems with the lining of the stomach an digestive tract and minor nerve problems (for some). If you have an allergy vs. coffee or certain health conditions, like kidney insufficiency due to high potassium intake, you should avoid coffee altogether.

Often it is not the coffee that is bad for you so much as what you eat/take with it. If you are a big fan of sugar in your coffee, you should probably watch your sugar intake. If you always eat cake, cookies, biscotti etc, with your coffee then watch those sweets! It's just common sense & basic nutrition really.

One last thing if you drink coffee you have to remember to drink more water, because of coffee's diuretic effects. This is especially the case in the summer.
End of lesson.

IMHO:
As for me, I like to drink unsweetened espresso. One cup in the morning to get me going and one around 15:00 to keep me going esp. at work esp. in the winter.

I grew up drinking American coffee, but started to dislike it after I moved to Europe. Coffee in the US is just brewed too weak and seems to have a burnt taste that I don't care for. Turkish or Arabic coffee is nice, but I like Italian coffees best. Brands like Illy or Ionica are the ones I buy.

I don't like Starbucks, but if I am in the US I might get an espresso there, because I can be assured of a certain standard, whereas if I got an espresso at "Bob's truckstop" I might get anything from motor oil, to coffee flavored water to something worse including a gunshot wound (The local culture where I am from tends to link drinking anything, but whiskey with snobby, limp-wristed, persons of European ancestory - a common prejudice.)

Coffee IMTU:
In traveller coffee is a commodity just as it was on Terra. I am certain that it is traded among the systems in the Solomani sphere and I would bet credits to doughnuts that if the Vilani didn't have a genetically similar plant that they probably had some other equally aromatic stimulating drink. And if that wasn't the case the practice probably spread as Solomani influence within the Imperium spread. So IMTU coffee is still a highly prized and often traded commodity and coffee trees have been spread to the stars. Even the Zhodani value it as a mild cognitive enhancer, but IMTU the Zhodani inhale their coffee with the use of an inhaler as often as they drink it.
 
Well I'm from northern Germany, so it's tea and the tea is allowed to be strong (ideally a strong mix of Assam, Ceylon, Darjeeling, Java, Sumatra following old traditional recipes), usually served with "Kluntje" (rock sugar) and cream.

It tastes like THE big reward from withstanding our "Schietwetter" (wich basically translates into what it looks like - sh*t weather) when a fire bristles in the fireplace complimenting the cracking of the sugar in the cup. For me it requires a (rare) moment of calm however.

During the busy week it's coffee, hot, strong and slightly creamed. As opposed to the turkish variant above, it should be hot, blonde and sweet ;)

And at all the other times water, whiskey or beer need to suffice ;)

Hey?! Bist du noch da? Ich wohne auch hier, du bist 1,5 Stunden (circa) entfernt. Was spielst du CT, t5?
 
Coffee, Tea

Ahhh Java Juice. This reminds me of an ol' thread...
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=4920&highlight=java+juice

Traveller had a number of popular drinks in canon. I cannot see an end to Coffee or Tea for a 100,000 years much less a few thousand. :rofl:

At my place Coffee (Turkish or French Press) and Tea are regular staples of activity. Starbucks is a last resort like that dreaded gas station in the middle of nowhere (Maybe its a Seattle thing).

However, too much acid is a bad thing.

Also Pizza! Is there a starship in any campaign where Humaniti players have not eventually investigated installing the glorious Pizza oven. :file_22:
 
Coffee IMTU:
In traveller coffee is a commodity just as it was on Terra. I am certain that it is traded among the systems in the Solomani sphere and I would bet credits to doughnuts that if the Vilani didn't have a genetically similar plant that they probably had some other equally aromatic stimulating drink. And if that wasn't the case the practice probably spread as Solomani influence within the Imperium spread.

I quite agree, although I have the Vilani encounter coffee quite early in their expansion, on a nearby world where the Ancients had transplanted a hefty chunk of Terran flora and fauna. So they've done quite a lot of spreading on their own account.


Hans
 
Hmmm... When I was a young lad, about 6 years old, my grandpa told me it isn't coffee unless it can float horseshoes. I've never drunk it that strong though.
 
Hmmm... When I was a young lad, about 6 years old, my grandpa told me it isn't coffee unless it can float horseshoes. I've never drunk it that strong though.

"You're diluting it with that hot water, boy! Coffee's Meant to be CHEWED, boy!":devil:
 
As coffee from different areas acquires a different taste, think Jamaican Blue Mountain and Hawaiian Kona, think of all of the new varieties that will develop once coffee hits the stars.
 
"You're diluting it with that hot water, boy! Coffee's Meant to be CHEWED, boy!":devil:

A friend of mine, during his college years actually took the strong coffee he brewed and dumped it back into the coffee machine to boil and re-percolate through a second fresh set of grounds. I tried the stuff. It was disgusting. He and his roommate swore that they actually drank nothing else the week before finals as they were cramming for their exams.

They were crazy enough, but I am still not sure I believe them. I did see one of them actually finish a cup of the stuff the day I tried it though. Blah!
 
A friend of mine, during his college years actually took the strong coffee he brewed and dumped it back into the coffee machine to boil and re-percolate through a second fresh set of grounds. I tried the stuff. It was disgusting. He and his roommate swore that they actually drank nothing else the week before finals as they were cramming for their exams.

They were crazy enough, but I am still not sure I believe them. I did see one of them actually finish a cup of the stuff the day I tried it though. Blah!

I used coffee grounds in a manner similar to chewing tobacco for several years...
 
"You're diluting it with that hot water, boy! Coffee's Meant to be CHEWED, boy!":devil:

aboard ship U.S. Navy coffee wasn't strong enough for me... So next trip overseas I took with me a jar of instant expresso.

I was very tired, one third the number of electronics techs we had the year before... I accidently made an 8 ounce cup of the stuff with a heaping tablespoon of the dried coffee crystals.

I couldn't close my eyes. I'm not sure for howe long but for two days I did lots of blinking, but no sleeping.
 
A friend of mine, during his college years actually took the strong coffee he brewed and dumped it back into the coffee machine to boil and re-percolate through a second fresh set of grounds. I tried the stuff. It was disgusting. He and his roommate swore that they actually drank nothing else the week before finals as they were cramming for their exams.

They were crazy enough, but I am still not sure I believe them. I did see one of them actually finish a cup of the stuff the day I tried it though. Blah!

I saw a friend of mine do that when I was in the Marines... he used a double-amount of grounds and let the first pot evaporate down to half-way before putting it in the fridge for the night. The next morning he would take it out and run it through another double-set of fresh grounds. No one else where he worked dared try the oil that was in his pots (he had his own personal coffee machine with 2 pots, 1 to drink from and the other constantly brewing).

Of course, he had a medical reason for this... he had been tested at the Cal-State Fullerton Medical Center (California State University system), and formally diagnosed as narcoleptic.

They found that no matter the environment or how much sleep he had recently had... even standing up in a 50 degree room with no shirt an hour after getting 12 hours of sleep... he would fall asleep as soon as he stopped trying to stay awake. This was with electrical sensors attached all over his body and head - his brainwaves showed either "focusing on something" or "sleep", there was nothing in between, unlike the rest of humanity.
 
I had a mildly narcoleptic roommate for a few months. Nice guy... but if he wasn't directly involved in something, he was asleep in minutes. If he was actually tired, he would occasionally fall asleep mid sentence.

He spent a lot of time on-line (this was the era of WWIVnet, not proper public internet)... and could outpace the computer... his computer measured his typing speed at 200 WPM... but he'd filled the buffer in 1/2 the time, and the computer had to catch up. BBSing, he'd fill the buffer, and sit back and wait while the wall of text uploaded... a full cigarette's worth of time, when he was properly motivated. it kept him focused... and awake. And he, too, was a coffee hound from hell.
 
My apologies for resurrecting this thread, but seeing Cryton back posting and having found this earlier got my brain "percolating". This is what I call a real Presidential gift.

In his report the Chief of the SubsistenceDivision recommended that the British offer to deliver green coffee from Brazil be accepted. The recommendation brought immediate action. The Ministry of Food confirmed its offer to bring coffee from Brazil along.with canned meats; representatives of the Office of The Quartermaster General went to Brazil to arrange acceptance of 400,000 pounds of coffee, which was a gift from the President of Brazil to the President of the United States; and the Office of The Quartermaster General made 1,000,000 pounds of soluble coffee available to the European Theaterof Operations. Accordingly, on 27 September 1943 the Chief of the Procurement Division was able to say to the Chief Quartermaster,"Our coffee supply is assured. U. S. coffee,mostly non-quota, is available in the United States and in Brazil."

The information comes from the following source.

QUARTERMASTER SUPPLY in theEUROPEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS IN WORLD WAR II Volume II SUBSISTENCE
 
My apologies for resurrecting this thread, but seeing Cryton back posting and having found this earlier got my brain "percolating". This is what I call a real Presidential gift.
While Cryton and I have been friends for a long time, he's not the roommate in question.;)
 
Fun thread....

Never drink the stuff myself ...just start my day with a can of Coke. Hot tea after a Chinese meal is OK though.

My lady on the other hand...coffee in the AM and tea all day. Hot in winter and iced in summer. I have learned at SCA camping trips to scout camp looking for a cup of coffee in the AM when she has none...Makes the day easier for both of us....and earns me a boatload of brownie points.
 
Why isn't this a poll?

Poll? POLL! Never thought of it, and I was not the thread starter. Maybe Aramis could put one together for the coffee-holics of the Forum. Also, coffee preferences. I am partial to Kona, but a local donut shop gets some fantastic Kenyan in at times. They get the green beans and then roast and grind just before making.
 
I'm inclined to guess, at least as regards to caffeine, that it's the difference in body mass that makes coffee 'toxic' to dogs; it simply takes much less of it to harm a dog because they're typically so much smaller than us.

The LD50 for caffeine is roughly equivalent to 40 cups of coffee in one sitting for a typical human. Scale that down to a 25-pound dog (or an 8-pound cat, for that matter) and it's pretty easy to see how a cup or two of the stuff could be problematic for them.

But a 50kg Vargr? Not really a problem -- except for the fact that you started out with a Vargr in the first place, and now you've got one that's bouncing off the walls to boot.
Assuming similar caf tolerance...

Average human 70kg or so.
LD50 150-200mg per kg, estimated. Doses upwards of 300mg/kg have been survived; doses as low as 36mg/kg have been toxic. Typically, doses of 25mg/kg non-toxic
as low as 5mg/kg has psychoactive effect
Cup of coffee 90-200mg

Small dog: 10kg
Dog tolerance 140mg/kg
Small dog LD 50 1400
Probable tolerance of 20mg/kg, or 200mg/small dog, before toxicity

Vargr: 50kg
Assuming same tolerance as dogs...
toxicity at 1000mg, LD50 at 7000mg. (5-10 cups, and 35-70 cups)


http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/caffeine/art-20049372
https://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/health/psychoactives_ld50s.shtml
 
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