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Imperial High Law: Anti Psionics?

SJE

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So, apparently during the Psionic repressions
Psionics Suppressions (800 to 826):The revelation of
scandals (financial, ethical, and moral) within the psionics
institutes in the years 772 to 798 resulted in a shift in public
opinion against the institutes. Over a 26 year period, various
institute charters were cancelled, leading figures jailed or
otherwise repressed, and restrictive laws passed limiting or
prohibiting the practice of psionics.

Now heres my question for the lore-masters: Were these anti-psionic laws part of the Imperiums High Law or did the various planets of the 3I adopt them locally with different local variants?

As its an Imperium-wide thing that there are no Psionic Institutes and psionics are illegal, it leads me to think High Law, as I've yet to see any write ups of local Imperial systems defy the suppressions and openly support psionics in the past 300 odd years? and given the size of the 3I, you'd expect some planets to be contrarian and permit psionics, if they were not constrained by some sort of pan-Imperial law.

But, the (rarely codified apart from 'anti-slavery' )High Laws never really mention psionics, unless I've missed something.

Thoughts?

SJE
 
So, apparently during the Psionic repressions

Now heres my question for the lore-masters: Were these anti-psionic laws part of the Imperiums High Law or did the various planets of the 3I adopt them locally with different local variants?

The thing that always got me was that the Psionic suppressions were said to be a case of Psycho-History manipulation gone wrong. I am not sure if forbidding psionics was ever 3I high law, as most of the CT "complications" read like they were local things (tar and feather, lobotomy, ect), and for the fact that two of the 3I institutes had their charters reinstated.

As its an Imperium-wide thing that there are no Psionic Institutes and psionics are illegal, it leads me to think High Law, as I've yet to see any write ups of local Imperial systems defy the suppressions and openly support psionics in the past 300 odd years? and given the size of the 3I, you'd expect some planets to be contrarian and permit psionics, if they were not constrained by some sort of pan-Imperial law.

As I said, two of the 3I institutes had their charters reinstated (Regia and Terra), so IMO the issues with Psionics are more likely local than 3I high law instigated.
 
My impression was that the insitutes on Regina and Terra were underground ones and not publically know?

Plus, the Suppression Laws were signed by Empress Paula, so doesnt that make them Imperial High Laws by default?

from the Timeline:

800 Empress Paula II signs the first of 65 suppression orders for the Psionic Institutes, and eventually revokes all
Institute charters. Supplement 11 - Library Data (N-Z), GDW, 1982, p. 15.
800 Psionic Suppressions begin; SuSAG is badly damaged as psionic drugs are declared illegal, manufacturing
plants closed and all stocks confiscated and destroyed. Supplement 08 - Library Data (A-M), GDW, 1981, p.
10, 22, 43.
 
My impression was that the insitutes on Regina and Terra were underground ones and not publically know?

Plus, the Suppression Laws were signed by Empress Paula, so doesnt that make them Imperial High Laws by default?

from the Timeline:

Hmmm. The suppression's were signed into Law by Paula, as were the redaction's on the Regina and Terra Institutes. So I would say that those two institutes are still 3I funded, but also agree with you that any other site would be very underground.
 
At the two legit institutes, I imagine the thing like the movie versions of Starship Troopers "commercials", being in effect.

"Studying Psions to know our Zho enemies!!" to be one of the the way they keep accepted.
 
The thing that always got me was that the Psionic suppressions were said to be a case of Psycho-History manipulation gone wrong. I am not sure if forbidding psionics was ever 3I high law, as most of the CT "complications" read like they were local things (tar and feather, lobotomy, ect), and for the fact that two of the 3I institutes had their charters reinstated.

As I said, two of the 3I institutes had their charters reinstated (Regia and Terra), so IMO the issues with Psionics are more likely local than 3I high law instigated.
I've never come across this before. Could you tell me where you've read it?
 
I've never come across this before. Could you tell me where you've read it?

Supplement 11, Library Data N-Z, in the entries "Psychohistory" and "Psionics Institute"

Wypoc/Lanth hosts the Regina chartered facility, which recruits via the Imperial Navy.

Restricted: The general information is not completely correct. The reason large-scale psychohistory experiments are no longer conducted is due to the unpredictable results achieved by the only sizable experiment to date, conducted as a part of the psionics suppressions (q.v.) The unforeseen results of this experiment were so far-reaching that Imperial scientists concluded that their knowledge of the principles involved was woefully inadequate, and that further study was required. Imperial research into psychohistory is undertaken at a small number of research stations, and is carried out under the strictest of controls. (S11:LD N-Z, p. 16)​

Junidy has a formerly licensed one, per TTA.

Note that there should have been an average of 2 licensed per sector, given 65 charters were issued.
 
Thanks! Based on what you said I checked the Imperial Encyclopedia and guess I missed that part. Also by coincidence, just before I saw your reply, I happened to run across it in GT: Rim of Fire that I was browsing for other reasons. Heh. Re-established, but run in secret by the government, so that makes them even less available to PCs than the illegal ones.
 
My take on the Psionic Suppressions is that they were forced on the Imperium from the bottom up.

We're told that there was an Imperium-wide psychohistorical experiment that went wrong (The entire Imperium?!? Hadn't these so-called scientists heard of control groups?). Exactly what the original aim of the experiment was, I'm not sure. It wasn't intended to drive everyone bat-shit paranoid about psionics, but what was it intended to do?

Be that as it may, the result was that all across the Imperium, from the Spinward Marches to the Solomani Rim, a groundswell of fear and hatred of psionics swept across the member worlds. And the Empress found herself scrambling to get in front of the parade and order them all to follow her. The suppression orders were one manifestation of this. I think there were other measures taken. Something like an Imperial edict directing the individual duchies "to enact such legislation as is necessary to solve the Psionics Problem" perhaps.

But the problem (and the legislation) started at the level of the member worlds and the Imperium jumped on the band-waggon because otherwise it would have faced problems with the member worlds for being "soft on Psionics".

The Psionic institutes we hear about were probably just the ones that had Imperial charters. 65 institutes is roughly one per five subsectors. Surely there would have been lesser, planetary institutes on many other high-population worlds and even on some high-medium population worlds. If so, the suppression orders didn't interfere with the autonomy of member worlds; to the contrary, the member worlds that hosted the institutes felt interfered with because they couldn't persecute them properly because they were under the Imperium's aegis.


Hans
 
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My take on the Psionic Suppressions is that they were forced on the Imperium from the bottom up.

We're told that there was an Imperium-wide psychohistorical experiment that went wrong (The entire Imperium?!? Hadn't these so-called scientists heard of control groups?). Exactly what the original aim of the experiment was, I'm not sure. It wasn't intended to drive everyone bat-shit paranoid about psionics, but what was it intended to do?

Hans

Root out Zhodani Spies.
 
My take on the Psionic Suppressions is that they were forced on the Imperium from the bottom up.

We're told that there was an Imperium-wide psychohistorical experiment that went wrong (The entire Imperium?!? Hadn't these so-called scientists heard of control groups?). Exactly what the original aim of the experiment was, I'm not sure. It wasn't intended to drive everyone bat-shit paranoid about psionics, but what was it intended to do?

Be that as it may, the result was that all across the Imperium, from the Spinward Marches to the Solomani Rim, a groundswell of fear and hatred of psionics swept across the member worlds. And the Empress found herself scrambling to get in front of the parade and order them all to follow her. The suppression orders were one manifestation of this. I think there were other measures taken. Something like an Imperial edict directing the individual duchies "to enact such legislation as is necessary to solve the Psionics Problem" perhaps.

But the problem (and the legislation) started at the level of the member worlds and the Imperium jumped on the band-waggon because otherwise it would have faced problems with the member worlds for being "soft on Psionics".
The way the Imperium is set up, the only way I could see it happening Imperium-wide is either Imperial edict, or psychohistorical experiment. Information travels very slowly in the Imperium, and it remains a pretty culturally diverse entity. If one looks at it memetically, any meme that did not have a universal trait for survival could not infect even the majority of the Imperial population, let alone nearly all of it. For it to be a spontaneous groundswell, it would have to appeal to some psychological aspect that was common to every world in the Imperium (or very close to every one), and given that cultural diversity, there wouldn't be many. But even if this was true, then the issue would be timing: why then? If it was so universal, why didn't it occur earlier? What changed? There had to be some catalyst to "set it off", whether it be events (like the Frontier Wars), or some tragedy (like what started the Sudusham Concords). So what could that trigger have been? I can't see any trait universal to all human cultures changing, so it had to be something else, something external. So there are two questions that need answering in order for the spontaneous groundswell theory to work.

And anti-Zho doesn't cut it, since most of the Imperium is too far away from Zho space, and one would see a sharp drop in anti-psionic sentiment the farther one gets. One might surmise that the Solomani would embrace psionics as a way to get an advantage over the Impies, even if only unofficially. In that case, SolSec would become a lot like the Psi Corps from B5, because you know they'd use it if they could, so why don't they?

Imperial edict works because they were the ones at war with the Zhos, so they could spread it across the Imperium. However what you said about member worlds feeling interfered with would have indeed caused a problem. The Imperium's jurisdiction is supposed to cover interstellar space and, to a lesser degree, the rights of sophonts, so I don't see how they could get away with this without popular support beforehand. So a psychohistorical experiment would seem the elegant solution. And sure they could have used control groups, but containing a meme can be like containing a virus, and a single leak can result in a widespread infection pattern. It could also explain why the Solomani still embrace this idea, despite the obvious advantages: they are simply still infected.
 
The way the Imperium is set up, the only way I could see it happening Imperium-wide is either Imperial edict, or psychohistorical experiment.

Canon says it was a psycohistoric experiment, so that part is covered.

Information travels very slowly in the Imperium, and it remains a pretty culturally diverse entity. If one looks at it memetically, any meme that did not have a universal trait for survival could not infect even the majority of the Imperial population, let alone nearly all of it. For it to be a spontaneous groundswell, it would have to appeal to some psychological aspect that was common to every world in the Imperium (or very close to every one), and given that cultural diversity, there wouldn't be many.

Canon says that it was based on the fear and envy of the non-talented majority for the talented minority. (Heh - according to the game rules, a psionic strength of 5 is sufficient to train someone to have useful albeit minor psionic abilities, so either the rules are not a perfect reflection of the underlying setting or we have a canon conflict).

But even if this was true, then the issue would be timing: why then? If it was so universal, why didn't it occur earlier? What changed? There had to be some catalyst to "set it off", whether it be events (like the Frontier Wars), or some tragedy (like what started the Sudusham Concords).

A scientific experiment. Psychohistorians had run enough small experiments to feel that they could handle a big one. Presumably the top scientists in the field persuaded the Empress (or her predecessor) to fund the experiment. It happened when it happened because that's when the science had advanced enough (or so they thought, ho ho). Perhaps the decision to include the entire Imperium was made by an over-enthusiastic emperor. "I'm paying for it, so I get to decide what we're going to try."


Hans
 
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