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Imperial Navy Uniforms

Imperial Navy Uniform colour


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A different look at uniforms

It seems to me that there would not be one common uniform for several reasons.

Procurement would be by sector or by fleet. There would not be one huge contract Imperium wide to a bunch of uniform makers. There would also be competitions between the fleets. There might even by competitions between sub sectors.

As we know there is a very close relationship between the office corp, and the nobility. That means each region is going to give at least a wink and a nod to local fashion among the nobility. Also don't forget the the fuel that drives the Imperium is crony capitalism. Each local procurement office is going to make sure that the clothing maker that they are in bed with gets the contract, and that means padding the budget as much as they can, and that would be bound to make differences too.

Finally, every time someone says, "Shouldn't we have one standard uniform?" varies efforts to meet that stadard, more or less would sweep back and forth, moving form fleet to fleet over several years.

Also again, since the Navy has a tradition of being close to the nobility, and here is no reason to prevent it, uniforms could be obscenely ornate.

Duty uniforms for mechanical ratings, small craft crew, and those that might be working in Vacsuits might be little more than coveralls, Dress uniforms might be overly decorative and complicated to compensate.

Remember how ridiculous navel uniforms look from the age of sail when even line officers would have to get their hands dirty from time to time. Add the technology to produce fabrics that would be MUCH more durable, especially in difficult conditions, and major improvements in cleaning and refurbishing uniform parts, and you might end up with some uniforms that take an hour or more, per day to don.

For all of these reasons, I would believe that virtually anything anyone could conceive of would be a "standard" service uniform in the IN at some location at some time.

What, do we change every ten years or so? It is 4 years COMMUNICATION time from one end of the Imperium to the other. How many CENTURIES could it take to adopt a change across that much space.

Just some thought from the mind of

Mr Tek
 
What, do we change every ten years or so? It is 4 years COMMUNICATION time from one end of the Imperium to the other. How many CENTURIES could it take to adopt a change across that much space.

Well, if you are talking about the OTU third imperium, they have had over 1000 years to get some kind of standard uniform list in place.
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I also envision the uniform procurement process to be similar to how it is described in Elizabeth Moon's universe, specifically with Esmay Suiza.

You show up at a reputable (or not so reputable) tailor wherever you happen to be docked that day with your uniform specs on a flash drive. They take current measurements, either by laser scanner or the old fashioned measuring tape, and then get to work sewing/assembling your uniform.

The colors and fabric specs (i.e. fire/spill/tear resistant) for the various ratings and duty uniforms are going to be standard such that almost any tailor in the 3I will have them in stock. Perhaps the coloring is even done on the spot:
  • You start with an undyed fabric
  • Figure out how many meters (yards) you need for a new dress tunic
  • Download the color spec from the client's flash drive
  • Dump the fabric into the colorizing machine
  • It gets colored by the amazing 3I, high-tech color infusion process (no troublesome color bleeding or fade IMTU! :p )
10 or 20 minutes later, voila! Perfectly colored fabric to make the aforementioned tunic.

Any fruit salad or medals will have been distributed by the appropriate officer on board ship and are the responsibility of the individual. Though if you are at a planet with a high-pop, you might be able to find some stuff at the local Army-Navy Surplus. :)

Not too complicated from my point of view.
 
My thoughts are that the Imperial Navy would have several types of standardized uniforms and that use would depend on the suitation that they were used in. The crew of a Gazelle would have different duty uniforms than the crew of an AHL class Cruiser. Think Star Trek for a minute. The Enterprise jumpsuit is much more practical for shipboard wear than the Next Gen uniform or the Movie's Maroon Cocoon yet the two latter make very good dress uniforms.

I live close to Patrick AFB and I see a lot of personnel from the base every week. The uniforms range from Flight Suits and BDU's ( normal) to what I would term class B uniforms ( rare) to Dress Uniforms ( very rare)

You wouldn't wear a suit and tie to fix a car or plow a field, neither would you wear coveralls to work in an office.

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Current "Classes" of uniforms are less rigid than before, but still generally follow the old Army/AF class system... (My experiences with same are as a CAP cadet from the 1980's.)

Mess Uniforms
Service Dress (Cl A: Usually Office + jacket)
Office Uniform (Cl B: Working + Tie)
Undress Uniform (Cl C: Working Uniform)
Field Uniform (Cl D: BDU, flight suit)
Relaxed Field Uniform or dungarees (Cl E, BDU no Blouse)
PT Uniform

It is in the B&C range that lots of variations occur:
Hospital Whites Uniform (also Cooks Whites)
Navy Khaki's - Distinctive B&C uniforms for CPO's and Officers.
Navy Dungarees
Navy Flight Deck T-shirts (Class D or E, IIRC)


So, what I expect is:
Mess Dress, in White & Navy flavors
Service Dress, in White & Navy flavors
"office" uniforms, White, Khaki, and Navy
Combat Uniforms in various cammo for "deployed with the Troops"
Dungarees of some stripe - quite possibly the colored jumpsuits.

Time to do some thumbnails.
 
My thoughts....

They're not that bleeding ornate because Strephon is a wise follower of Professor Thornwood's Rule One of Military History.

The Military with the Prettiest Uniform is the Bad Guy!

Any time you need that much pomp and circumstance you must be doing something wrong in the Real Convictions Department.

Look at the Third Reich....

So the question for us now becomes, are we over dressed? Just something to think about...
 
Actually, the Third Reich had very crisp and simple uniforms overall.

The Japanese Imperial Army had even simpler ones.
 
As we know there is a very close relationship between the office corp, and the nobility.
It is 4 years COMMUNICATION time from one end of the Imperium to the other.

Mr T, no matter what your opinions are and whether or not I agree with them, I applaud you for thinking in terms of Traveller.

Current "Classes" of uniforms are less rigid than before, but still generally follow the old Army/AF class system... (My experiences with same are as a CAP cadet from the 1980's.)
I understand that people try to base things on what they understand which is earth current and past but as my Traveller characters might say. "I find it amazing how culture from thousands of years ago from that far off planet"; pausing, scratching head "what was it called, ah yes, Earth I believe; just how their culture spread across the universe and continues to thrive amazes me."
 
Simple my ass!

Actually, the Third Reich had very crisp and simple uniforms overall.

The Japanese Imperial Army had even simpler ones.

Maybe the JIA had nice plain ones, but the damned Nazis just looked to damned good, crisp or not. Oh and they did a have a penchant for extra goodies, arm bands, sleeve insignia, scrabled eggs, button hole ribbons....

I mean, really have you actually looked at some of those Third Reich uniforms, I mean H. Goring, (and an Ace at that) was well...he sure had an eye for fashion, I mean really baby blue?

I still want my GI is nice old BDUs, looking scruffy and getting the job done.

Grunts should look like they're working at Warfighting, not doing a party!
 
Note that the current system of uniforms is essentially much the same as it was 250 years ago.

Officers had Mess uniforms with all the Gewgahs. Worn for formal occasions only.
Officers had Dress uniforms for parade, with some gewgahs.
Officers and men had working uniforms with just essential insignias. Often this was the same pattern as parade, differing only in what was worn on the tunic.
Officers and men had undress uniforms (generally the tunic removed to reveal an undershirt) but wouldn't be caught dead that way other than in camp or on work detail.

It's quite likely that that standard (which is fairly basic) will survive and be emulated, if not parallel developed, elsewhere.
 
Welp, Imperial types are, after all, Imperial. Just as the GT Mercenary book states, there are all sorts of military orders and organizations throughout the Imperium. Everything from cohorts to militia to regiments to warbands to impis can be found as a military unit of organization. I think likewise the same can be said for uniforms.

I envision Imperial standard uniforms, that is the type worn by the regular Imperial Navy, are probably a balance between fashion, pomp and practicality. I seem to recall Strepheron was assasinated while essentially wearing a cross between turn of the century European military uniform and a Mao suit. Something sleek and plain, but with room for onamentation.

On one extreme you'd have something like the 1980s Flash Gordon film, where Ming the Merciless's soldiers wore all kinds of wacky BDUs and uniforms. While on the other end of the scale you'd have essentially a jumpsuit with a gold stripe across the chest or braids or bands on the cuff to designate insignia.

I vote for the Imperials to have basic grey uniforms with the flaming red sun pasted somewhere. Your gew-gahs may vary :)
 
Note that the current system of uniforms is essentially much the same as it was 250 years ago.

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It's quite likely that that standard (which is fairly basic) will survive and be emulated, if not parallel developed, elsewhere.

Go back 2000+ years and think of the uniforms. Are todays still like those? I'm no history expert so I don't know, but I believe the rank and file of many older cultures didn't even have a uniform. Does the military still go around adorned with the ears of their fallen enemies. No; so why would the military of the future still have ribbons and piping? How about a small screen pinned to the chest that cycles through images of past battles.

Everything you say is possible, I just think that when you start saying things like "quite likely" it is just one small step before you say "it is".

I like to leave open possibilities, like people that think adorning their uniforms with ribbons and honors is a sign of vanity and bragging; traits admonished in their culture so dress uniforms may be much nicer than a work uniform but they are clean and elegant like a tuxedo. Maybe there could be a culture that uses the length of the sleeve as an indication of rank and has no markings.

I am not putting down your opinions. Everyones opinion is valid and the purpose of these forums is to share a variety of them, so I'm just giving options that could allow for larger variety.

For those of you that like to stay cannon, go through the pics/drawings from all the books and see what they wore. If there is a large variety it could support an opinion that the uniforms differ from sector to sector or even ship to ship.

(I just flipped through some material) Most of the people are often in battle dress or vac suits. Otherwise, they are in simple work cloths like most star trek TV shows. Or a simple dress tunic with usually a patch on one side of the chest, rank or markings on the collar and or the shoulder. I did not see any pictures with medals or ribbons. The only decoration or detail I noticed on the uniforms were lighter colored cuffs, collars, and down the button row (don't know the term for this). On one color cover they were wearing blue or purple.

I wish I had the time to draw up some uniforms.
 
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The Romans had a work/barracks uniform (remove the lorica), a duty uniform (wear the lorica) and a Parade uniform (add the cloak), and the officers would dress in togas for formal stuff... at least, if the descriptions in surviving Roman literature are at all accurate.
 
Yathink?

The Romans had a work/barracks uniform (remove the lorica), a duty uniform (wear the lorica) and a Parade uniform (add the cloak), and the officers would dress in togas for formal stuff... at least, if the descriptions in surviving Roman literature are at all accurate.

I sure hope so, hate to think the Romans spent their free time making up imagin..ary...uni..hey, what if they did? :devil:

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NAVY blue, could they be any other colour? I rather like the look of the B5 (post breakup with Earth) for the Solomani and the rebooted Battlestar Galactica for the Imperium. For as much as the Solomani and the Imperium differ they should be complementing each other in so many other ways. I am also re-watching Space Above & Beyond, and finding many of my Traveller thoughts reflected there.

This way emphasis the Solomani leadership claim that they are an Imperium in waiting rather than an entirely separate state. Having said that they would still adopt many of the regale of a new republic or perhaps even the precursor states that made up the Confederation.
 
What colour are they?

Midnight Blue. Gold piping.

Marc Miller once commented on the TML (around the time T4 was being published) that he always considered Traveller military uniforms to change every so often (not unlike today's military).

I go with the above (Midnight Blue) because of a neat Challenge magazine cover I always liked...with naval crew studying the holotank (Honor Harrington-style).
 
Like the song says, its either Cherry Red or Midnight Blue. I voted for white but I have to say that Midnight Blue with gold would be imressive.
 
Those colors have other uses as well.

Like the song says, its either Cherry Red or Midnight Blue. I voted for white but I have to say that Midnight Blue with gold would be imressive.
The old Blue and Gold baby, it's Tradition and keeping Tradition keeps the Vilani happy, right, so....
 
I go with whatever pics I can find that looks good off the net...usually from the mid1800's to the beginning of ww2...for dress uniforms anyways. Think the Emperor wears tons of medals like military junta generals do?
 
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