Interesting new d20 book... [Mature]

[Emperor Cleon]

As I said, it's a sign of the times. When I started playing rpg's in the late seventies with D&D (note, no "A" in front

) and Traveller at about age 12, a certain amount of "sexual" content did crop up now and then. But it was no more erotic than Princess Leia kissing Han Solo, or Captain Kirk seducing the local green-skinned girl. There was certainly no need for a game supplement on the subject.

The only purpose for such a book is to get you to spend your money. I can hardly believe that it would significantly enhance anyones game. It's probably about as useful as the ring girl at a boxing match. Nice to look at, but not what you paid money to see.

 

[Spinward Scout]

Ooooh - I opened up a big ol' can of worms!

And no one's posted anything about the Pleasure Domes of Stillatio 7...

Scout

 

[Pagan priest]

Originally posted by Mark A. Siefert:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pagan priest:
On the other hand, if you need gaming rule info on how to treat pregnancy...

Who needs a rule for that either?

GM: "OK, it's the Morning After. Did you two have fun?"

PC: "Awwwwwww yeah."

GM: "Now, were either of you using contraceptives?"

PC: "Errrrrrr... No."

GM: "Well, in that case congratulations are in order... Daddy." </font>[/QUOTE]Humerous, but of course, not based in reality. If you want to give a realistic chance of pregnancy, you start getting very complicated, but to have a reasonable guess as to the probability, and be consistant in that ruling, having guidelines can be good.

As far as enhancing anyone's game, one of the PrC's (Sarced Prostitute) is appropriate to the temples of a couple of the Deities in my D&D campaign.

And, I like the idea of having a monk or cleric that can boost his wisdom just by having sex.

 

[notagoodusername]

Originally posted by Pagan priest:
And, I like the idea of having a monk or cleric that can boost his wisdom just by having sex.

That's strangely appropriate. In my younger years my Wisdom went up a few points the morning after on a few wish-I-could-forget-them occasions.

Shane

 

[eclipse]

Originally posted by Randy Tyler:
Now I can start to make my pitch to Hunter and Martin about my new T20 book, "Interspecies and Robotic Sex in the Far Future of the Traveller Universes".


It will be a purely scientific study and not a brief glimpse of flesh merely for carnal satisfaction. I will begin the book with the present day aliens who come to earth's remote rural regions to mutilate livestock and take sex slaves aboard thier ship for experimentation and end with the geneered Vilani-Hiver crossbreed the K'Kree are trying to develop in 1248. I am not doing this just for publicity but as a serious piece of work for all of Traveller's fans to enjoy (and to offer insights on how they can have their characters enjoy sex during a gaming session with other species, despite the inherent difficulties).

You should dig up the old Traveller document that covers the sexual habits of Vargr & Aslan. It was well written. It reads like a text book instead of an erotic guide.

 

[Spinward Scout]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that you turn your game into ⌧os and Penises. But just look at the SciFi genre in general for this: Jim Kirk on the old Star Trek TV show went after any woman that moved in his direction (including crewmembers - which would be called sexual harassment now), but it was tame and limited to kissing (oooh - the first interracial kiss on TV). Now you have shows like Lexx that is just filled with images and innuendoes about sex. It's up to you whether or not you want to have something like this in your game. Just don't begrude someone else the right to have it in their game if they want. All you gotta do is say "NotIMTU".

Thanks,

Scout

 

[jwdh71]

Well, to each his own, I guess. I think that the people here getting snarky about this are being a little silly though. I've been in campaigns where this sort of supplement would be very handy, and also campaigns where it would be inappropriate. Among mature gamers (you did note that the book was for mature gamers, didn't you?) that role-play all aspects of their character's lives, having a book that gave some GAME RULES for sexual activities would be much handier than the GM ruling by fiat what happens. And using the magical aspects of sex would make an interesting change of pace from the neverending hordes of Demons and Necromancers that end up populating most magical role playing worlds.

I do think it needs to be age appropriate though, and by that I mean mental age. I know teenagers who have the maturity to use this material in a game, and thirty year old gamers I wouldn't even let see the book.

 

[flykiller]

Why would anyone want this?

RPG's are all about getting to do things in a game world that you can't do in real life.

 

[Nurd_boy]

Originally posted by Shane Mclean:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pagan priest:
And, I like the idea of having a monk or cleric that can boost his wisdom just by having sex.

That's strangely appropriate. In my younger years my Wisdom went up a few points the morning after on a few wish-I-could-forget-them occasions.

Shane </font>[/QUOTE]to bad about that celabate requirement thing....

 

[Tucker]

If folks are publishing D20 sex guides, when do the rules for tag and hide&seek come out? Oooh, can't wait for GenCon!

I think maybe I'll handle the Sarcasm and General Crudity Manual. I got dibs you bastiches!

I do think I'll throw my hat in the "interesting, but useless to me" ring. Our group was perfectly capable of handling the issues around fornicatin' without help, granted the maturity level has changed over the course of 20 or so years. It is nice that a publisher took the sex sells bit to the next level, not just the usual 'cover art' to attract horny bereft boys.

 

[Drakon]

Lets see, For hide and seek, that should involve Hiding skills, as well as scan....

Look, you are all right. It is silly and a waste of money, and should only be used by mature audiences. And some folks find the dice throwing for sexual congress a bit fun. (Maybe not as much as the real thing, but so what?)

I can see where rules regarding pregnancy and disease transmission may come in handy. (That gal on Berkshire gave me WHAT????) And I can also see how such dice rolling may help a nervous couple.

Its all in fun. And that is what gaming should be.

 

[anthryax]

Personally, I find the idea for the book just hilarious myself. Bet sales are brisk too.

Seriously though, its all just for fun. I have lots of roleplaying materials, including a lot of Traveler stuff, that I picked up just to read and not seriously ever intending to use (especially since nobody in the little city I live in ever seems to have played Traveller for example).

A responsible retailer will not be selling it to the kids, and if a kid orders it online, well, Mom should be checking on him (after all, he could be getting Playboy or Penthouse just as easily).

So why worry?

I would love to have it, I bet its funnier in hell in some respects, much more fun than the Human Sexuality college textbook I still have around the house from that amusing college course.

Besides, I used to play in a D & D game were the two sexual participants would simply role a d20 to see who performed the best (talk about your task roles!)

After all, roleplaying games can be as serious or silly as the gamers want them to be.

Besides, just think of the kinky fun a couple could have with it

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

I'd rather not think about that...

I'm sure this is done in jest, but its the sort of jest that many could get offended by, and say "Look, I told you they were freaks." It may be the case, but it lowers the bar for RPGs a bit. This particular hobby has a bad enough social disadvantage as it stands...

Plus, "D&D" implies kids playing it, especially in basic form... i'm not sure how keen i'd be if my son or nephew got hold of this... better they learn it on the street (haha). "For Mature Readers" basically means "Read the forbidden book, Children"

Plus,, any of that stuff can be done by characterization... rolling for it is quite silly... and more than a little sad...

 

[Spinward Scout]

Uh, no, I don't think it was done as a joke. It looks pretty serious. I'm getting kinda sorry I started this topic. Just don't let it turn into a brawl, please...

Scout
P.S. I did see the Slayer's Guide to Rules Lawyers the other day. Now that was done as a joke (I HOPE!).

 

[anthryax]

Don't worry, I see no need to brawl. I tend to view role playing as a game first, and don't take it too seriously anymore. A sense of humor about these things go a long way.

Incidently, I meant AD & D, and it was in the 1980s. Gaming groups differ, what is appropriate in one is not in another, just like any other situation. A certain amount of levity is always good though.

Obviously I wouldn't want my teenager using that book, but then, I don't want him looking at internet ⌧, or visiting strip joints either. Thats my job, to keep him out of trouble.

Slayers guide to rules lawyers? Definitely sounds like a good farcial satire. Just like the one you first mentioned.

In literature, a good satire is a story that is believable, but farcial.

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

No Brawl was intended, lords, merely making an observation... aside from whatever the popular perception of it may be, I for one view RPgs as a great tool for education... if properly used... I sort of react badly when it is slighted, or made fun of... or made out to be a silly thing... or a dangerous thing...

Sorry...

 

[chatdemon]

Originally posted by Malenfant:
while the other half (who hadn't bought it and had prejudged it anyway) were, inbetween their incoherent ranting and frothing, screaming about how it was utterly obscene, was going to destroy the RPG industry, and was utterly disgusting ⌧ography that should be burnt from the shelves.

Well, I for one didn't buy the thing, but I did check out their preview material and give the book a good looking over at the game shop before totally judging it.

Obscene? No, not really. Tasteless and irrelevant for my game? Yes, IMO. I've always preferred the old "ok, the TAS club waitress is pretty tipsy after that Zhodani whiskey you shared with her, she follows you back to the hotel..." approach where the scene immediately shifts back to the rest of the group or on to the next day and the details of the romantic encounters are left to the player's imaginations, if they care to dwell on them.

In other words, I just have no use for something like this, and I have a strong hunch that a vast majority of gamers would agree. The product struck me as a shameless cash grab, and seeing the finished product didn't change my mind. I'm sure there are a few folks out there who do want this kind of thing for their game, but I'm not one of them.

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

me niether... I recently did what you did, had a bit of a preview... i wouldnt say obscene either , but I would say "Cheesy" or "The work of someone not really in tune with what sexual relationships are like, even zany fantasy ones..."

It gave me the same sort of feeling when I saw my first Phil Foglio or Bill Willingham ⌧ comic... Willingham was one of the early greats in D&D, sure, but I just think comics about centaurs and snake people humping is a little, um, creepy to me...

That goes ditto for Phil. I found the obvious humor of "Phil and Dixie" very tiresome, even as a kid... lot of cornball stuff... his later sex stuff was just plain disturbingly cheesy, as is most cartoon ⌧ in my opinion...

The author needs to get out more... or find a non inflatable girlfreind, or not live under the illusion that strippers that call him "honey" are his girlfreind...

 

[Shadowdancer]

Originally posted by Baron Saarthuran von Gushiddan:
The author needs to get out more... or find a non inflatable girlfreind, or not live under the illusion that strippers that call him "honey" are his girlfreind...

The book's author is female.

 

[belter]

Only in a satire making fun of gamers can I imagine a group of guys sitting around a table staring at a ref who's saying, "Ok, on a 1 or a 2 you get the clap, on a 3 or 4 you get . . ."

I'd say on a 1-4 Hunter decides to shut this one down in 1d6 more replies.