LBB3 Questions
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ShapeShifter
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GAH!
o:That cover's got to be one of the creepiest I've yet seen!
My Vance to-read list is getting impossibly long! :rofl:
GAH!
That cover's got to be one of the creepiest I've yet seen!
My Vance to-read list is getting impossibly long! :rofl:
And unfortunately the books are getting harder and harder to track down. But I have my collection complete! Bwa-ha-ha!!!:smirk:
ShapeShifter
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I created a table for HYDRO to wrap my head around it, but my figures exceed the limit of 10 (A) stipulated in the table on page 10.
My ATMO table goes from 0 to 15, but the table only goes up to 13 (C).
What am I doing wrong?!
[charliebrown]Aaaaaarrrrghhh![/charliebrown]
My brain's TL is apparently still stuck at 0. :nonono:
My ATMO table goes from 0 to 15, but the table only goes up to 13 (C).
What am I doing wrong?!
[charliebrown]Aaaaaarrrrghhh![/charliebrown]
My brain's TL is apparently still stuck at 0. :nonono:
far-trader
SOC-14 10K
Hmm...
The Doctor is IN
[lucy]Five cents please.[/lucy]
Let's see...
Hydro is a percentage in 10s of the surface area covered, so results of less than 0 or greater than 10 are simply reduced to 0 or 10 respectively.
Atmo I seem to recall having some further additions made to fill out the numbers, ah yes, LBB6 has them:
D (13) = Dense, high.
E (14) = Ellipsoid
F (15) = Thin, low.
I don't see an expanded explanation of those on a quick look... ah, there it is
Dense, high:
From LBB 6 pg 40: "The air pressure at sea level (or lower) levels is too great to support life, but at higher altitudes, the atmosphere is breathable."
Ellipsoid:
From LBB 6 pg 40: "The world's surface is ellipsoidal, not spherical in shape. Because the atmosphere remains spherical, surface atmospheric pressure ranges from very high at the middle to very low at the ends. Breathable bands may exist at some point within the range of pressure."
Thin, low:
From LBB 6 pg 40: "The world is a large, massive one with a thin atmosphere which settles to the lowest levels of the terrain. As a result, the atmosphere is unbreathable at most altitudes, but is breathable at very low altitudes (as in depressions or deep valleys)."
The Doctor is IN
[lucy]Five cents please.[/lucy]
Let's see...
Hydro is a percentage in 10s of the surface area covered, so results of less than 0 or greater than 10 are simply reduced to 0 or 10 respectively.
Atmo I seem to recall having some further additions made to fill out the numbers, ah yes, LBB6 has them:
D (13) = Dense, high.
E (14) = Ellipsoid
F (15) = Thin, low.
I don't see an expanded explanation of those on a quick look... ah, there it is
Dense, high:
From LBB 6 pg 40: "The air pressure at sea level (or lower) levels is too great to support life, but at higher altitudes, the atmosphere is breathable."
Ellipsoid:
From LBB 6 pg 40: "The world's surface is ellipsoidal, not spherical in shape. Because the atmosphere remains spherical, surface atmospheric pressure ranges from very high at the middle to very low at the ends. Breathable bands may exist at some point within the range of pressure."
Thin, low:
From LBB 6 pg 40: "The world is a large, massive one with a thin atmosphere which settles to the lowest levels of the terrain. As a result, the atmosphere is unbreathable at most altitudes, but is breathable at very low altitudes (as in depressions or deep valleys)."
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far-trader
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You had me scratching my head for a minute
LBB 3 Atmo table goes to 12 (C) actually. I'll go with the "13" above being a typo, but nobody uses hex anymore anyway so no worries if otherwise either
Dense, High: Mount Lookitthat on Plateau! (From "A Gift From Earth", L. Niven)
When the colonists got there in their slowboat they found the only habitable land because of air density was at the top of a giant plateau. It rises just above the atmosphere, which gets hotter the closer you get to sea level from the pressures.
Another place like this is from Jack Vance (again!!!) "The Five Gold Rings"...the planet (Alpheratz) has high plateaus projecting like islands from a dense lower atmosphere so thick it almost acts like a fluid. Under it exists the ruins of other, older cities from some former race.
Dense, Low: I forget the name.....but it's in the Niven Known Universe, it's where the Bandersnatch live at the lowest point in the atmosphere. It's ellipsoid and shaped like an egg with a canyon-like band around the equator...this is the area the denser atmosphere settled into and where men go to hunt the bandersnatch. Got it...Jinx!!! The heavy metal world.
When the colonists got there in their slowboat they found the only habitable land because of air density was at the top of a giant plateau. It rises just above the atmosphere, which gets hotter the closer you get to sea level from the pressures.
Another place like this is from Jack Vance (again!!!) "The Five Gold Rings"...the planet (Alpheratz) has high plateaus projecting like islands from a dense lower atmosphere so thick it almost acts like a fluid. Under it exists the ruins of other, older cities from some former race.
Dense, Low: I forget the name.....but it's in the Niven Known Universe, it's where the Bandersnatch live at the lowest point in the atmosphere. It's ellipsoid and shaped like an egg with a canyon-like band around the equator...this is the area the denser atmosphere settled into and where men go to hunt the bandersnatch. Got it...Jinx!!! The heavy metal world.
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far-trader
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Good examples sabredog
I seem to recall a story using an ellipsoid as well... Ice Rigger? By Alan Dean Foster, 1st (stand alone) of a trilogy iirc. I think that's the one. Could be wrong.
I seem to recall a story using an ellipsoid as well... Ice Rigger? By Alan Dean Foster, 1st (stand alone) of a trilogy iirc. I think that's the one. Could be wrong.
Gents,
Dense, High? Victoria in CT. The colonists live on plateaus above an atmospheric taint that collects in the denser lower atmosphere. If memory serves, Victoria's description dates from the very first issue of JTAS and was written by Marc Miller himself.
Thin, Low? Cymbeline from CT's Signal GK and home of the Chips. The population lives at the bottom of several networks of deep canyons.
Niven has the "Thin, Low" planet Canyon in his Known Universe. Originally an uninhabitable, forward staging point for the Kzin, Wunderland destroyed the dome Kzin facilities with a huge, two barreled, Slaver "disintegrator" called the "Peacemaker". Most of the planet's meager atmosphere pooled in the canyon produced between the points where both of the weapon's beams touched down and the world is now inhabited.
Regards,
Bill
Dense, High? Victoria in CT. The colonists live on plateaus above an atmospheric taint that collects in the denser lower atmosphere. If memory serves, Victoria's description dates from the very first issue of JTAS and was written by Marc Miller himself.
Thin, Low? Cymbeline from CT's Signal GK and home of the Chips. The population lives at the bottom of several networks of deep canyons.
Niven has the "Thin, Low" planet Canyon in his Known Universe. Originally an uninhabitable, forward staging point for the Kzin, Wunderland destroyed the dome Kzin facilities with a huge, two barreled, Slaver "disintegrator" called the "Peacemaker". Most of the planet's meager atmosphere pooled in the canyon produced between the points where both of the weapon's beams touched down and the world is now inhabited.
Regards,
Bill
ShapeShifter
SOC-13
You had me scratching my head for a minute
LBB 3 Atmo table goes to 12 (C) actually. I'll go with the "13" above being a typo, but nobody uses hex anymore anyway so no worries if otherwise either
Yup. My last remaining brain-cell throws a hissy-fit if it can't use decimal.
Thanks for the additional info on LBB6.
(*grumble*) My pdf of LBB6 is so bad I have had trouble making out anything except the large, bold section headings.
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Keklas Rekobah
SOC-14 1K
I get around the conundrum of "Class-E Starport with Naval and Scout Bases" with a system that generates the TEC rating before determining ports and bases (if any). This system is heavily dependent on local technology for constructing such things.
TEC = 1D + DM
(Usual DMs for SIZ, ATM, HYD, POP, GOV, & LAW only.)
If TEC<7 then no ports or bases (no spaceships or starships).
If TEC=7 or TEC=8 then spaceports only; no bases.
If TEC>8 then spaceports and starports possible; bases possible.
Starport Roll is inverted...
{2-} = X
{3,4} = E
{5} = D
{6,7} = C
{8,9} = B
{A+} = A
... because Startport Type is 1D+TEC. Naval and Scout Base rolls are also 1D+TEC.
The usual restrictions for Bases apply.
Note that this is IMTU based on CT rules.
TEC = 1D + DM
(Usual DMs for SIZ, ATM, HYD, POP, GOV, & LAW only.)
If TEC<7 then no ports or bases (no spaceships or starships).
If TEC=7 or TEC=8 then spaceports only; no bases.
If TEC>8 then spaceports and starports possible; bases possible.
Starport Roll is inverted...
{2-} = X
{3,4} = E
{5} = D
{6,7} = C
{8,9} = B
{A+} = A
... because Startport Type is 1D+TEC. Naval and Scout Base rolls are also 1D+TEC.
The usual restrictions for Bases apply.
Note that this is IMTU based on CT rules.
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