Quick Dagger question

[cuTTer]

Couldn't find the answer in the Errata Thread.

Current errata (v0.7) for Book 1 (1981) states the short range modifier for dagger should be +2, not -1.

Same errata (v0.7) for The Traveller Book (1982) states the short range modifier for dagger should be -1, not +2.

Which one is correct?

 

[sabredog]

Well, the 1977 LBB1 says the short range mod should be -1 so I'd say since it and the Traveller Book out-vote the other edition (and because daggers are pretty short compared to the other weapons that get a positive short range modifier) -1 it is.

But your mileage may vary.

 

[cuTTer]

Well, the 1977 LBB1 says the short range mod should be -1 so I'd say since it and the Traveller Book out-vote the other edition (and because daggers are pretty short compared to the other weapons that get a positive short range modifier) -1 it is.

But your mileage may vary.

That would make it the only melee attack in the game with a minus at that range. I'd have a better chance of biting my way through Jack than slipping a dagger in...feels wrong.

 

[Blue Ghost]

The Traveller book says it has a +1 at both close and short range.

Are you throwing it?

 

[cuTTer]

The Traveller book says it has a +1 at both close and short range.

Are you throwing it?

Nope, not throwing it...

According to my FFE PDF of the TTB* (p.48 of the PDF, p.46 of the book) the Dagger is Close +1, Short +2. I haven't checked either of my hardcopies, they're out of reach at the moment, but I assume the PDF is a faithful scan.

The Blade is listed as Close +1, Short +1, maybe your eye dropped a line?

And as much as I'd like to hear the company line on the issue I suppose I'm as much pointing out there is an issue with the errata on the subject as anything else.

*God, I love TLAs...

 

[sabredog]

That would make it the only melee attack in the game with a minus at that range. I'd have a better chance of biting my way through Jack than slipping a dagger in...feels wrong.

If a -1DM means you can't get through Jack you may want to change up your weapon.The Strength or skill modifiers ought to eliminate it and add a positive point or two.

That said, there is also this: short range is beyond arm's length, 1-5 meters. Close is within it and described as "touching". Now which one do you think it's easier to get a 4-6" dagger into? This is why the long melee weapons have bonuses at short range and minuses (or at least less of a bonus) at close.

 

[cuTTer]

That said, there is also this: short range is beyond arm's length, 1-5 meters. Close is within it and described as "touching". Now which one do you think it's easier to get a 4-6" dagger into? This is why the long melee weapons have bonuses at short range and minuses (or at least less of a bonus) at close.

Yeah, but consider teeth, Close +2, Short +0, so, if we used the 1977 values, it's easier to bite someone at Short Range than to stab or slash them?

Here's a better one, Hands, Close +2, Short +1, if we used the 1977 value I have better reach or chance to hit, interpret it as you will, with an empty hand or a fist than with a knife in that hand.

No, I don't buy it, I'll take the values in Book 1 (1981), The Traveller Book (1982) and The Starter Edition (1983) over Book 1 (1977) and the conflicted errata document.

 

[Jame]

My only thing about it is that MgT's dagger does 1d6+2+STR mod; I'm going to adopt that.

 

[cuTTer]

My only thing about it is that MgT's dagger does 1d6+2+STR mod; I'm going to adopt that.

We're talking about chance-to hit-varying over the melee range bands in CT, so I'm not really sure where you're coming from, or going to...

 

[Carlobrand]

Couldn't find the answer in the Errata Thread.

Current errata (v0.7) for Book 1 (1981) states the short range modifier for dagger should be +2, not -1.

Same errata (v0.7) for The Traveller Book (1982) states the short range modifier for dagger should be -1, not +2.

Which one is correct?

That's an interesting conflict. You ought to consider bringing it up in the Errata thread as well. The whole section on melee weapon range DMs seems to be conflicted; can't really discern a logic to it.

 

[cuTTer]

That's an interesting conflict. You ought to consider bringing it up in the Errata thread as well. The whole section on melee weapon range DMs seems to be conflicted; can't really discern a logic to it.

Just added it. T5 has driven me back towards CT, so I may find some more as I try and marry of the multiple versions with the errata.