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Ships of the Imperial Fleet(s)

Hal

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Hello Folks,
I've a question for you and I thought I'd see how well this topic takes off here ;)

In the beginning, there was the big bang - and it was good. It was so good, that man and Aslan and others all had to emulate it with many other bangs - perhaps not as big, but just as satisfying perhaps.

Ok, enough of that claptrap right? The idea here is to say that here and now (in the fictional universe of Traveller - requires that there be some sort of continuity with the past of the Traveller Universe, right? Whether we're talking about Mileu Zero or the Virus or the Rebellion or any of the Traveller time periods, each of those "periods" had to have a foundation of a past to build off of. I'll bet, that right now, you're all wondering when I will get to my point, assuming I have one. The point is simple actually...

What were the ships like prior to the "present" (whatever milieu you want to say is the present)? In other words, lets say that the Planwell is one of the hottest Dreadnaughts going in today's Universe? What was the dreadnaught like before the Planwell class Dreadnaught? What are the TL 14 ships like that were the predecesors of the current TL 15 ships? What were the TL 13 ships like? The TL 12's?

Per the history of the Imperium, the Sylean Confederation was the seed of the 3rd Imperium. What were the ships like for that time period? As each successive tech level was approached, and then introduced - what were the "new hottest ships" of the time? Fighting Ships of the Shattered Imperium attempted to answer this question, but it did so in decidedly generic aspects. Has anyone ever really tried to "document" what the evolution of ships were from the early years of the Sylean's transformation into the current crop of ships extant within the Third Imperium?
 
In the T20 publication "Fighting ships" you can see some ideas. The ships there are mostly TL14 (Imperial standard in the ninehundrets) and in some cases the elder brothers of current designs

+ The Ramada class close escort is a TL14 craft. The fluff has "a new TL15 project codename CE-X Antelope that will feature droptanks" in the making.

+ We have the TL14 versions of the Chrysantemum and Fer-de-Lance class ships (both exists in TL-15 versions also)

+ The Saberwolf as an example of a TL13 ship that got upgraded to TL14

+ A number of TL12 and TL13 ships. All non-generic and with a bit of fluff.


As for late Sylean/early Empire I'd suggest looking for the relevant T4 material and adventures for ideas or taking a look through InterstellarWars
 
There are some Sylean vessels in the T4 supplement Imperial Squadrons. I believe the designs may be broken to some extent, but it includes;

Coronation class battleship (J3 2G,90000dt)
David R Turner class fleet carrier (J3, 1G, 80000dt)
Jerome Garcia class armoured cruiser (J3, 3G, 50000dt)
and the Bass Straight class destroyer escort (J3, 3G, 2500dt)
all are TL12 designs
Though this is not conclusive it implies that the normal task force requirement was for J3, 3G which the Coronation does not meet.
 
To start with there's the venerable AHL which was a TL14 Fleet Intruder, but got a second lease of life as a TL15 Frontier Cruiser. They are kept in service because they are Jump 5 but they are yesteryear's ships.

There there was "High Passage" and/or "Far Traveller" (both magazines by FASA) that covered this slightly. There was a TL14 Dreadnaught featured in one issue that was due for retirement. And the Gormandoacy class Destroyer was the predesessor of the Midu Agasaam class Destroyer.

And IMTU the players once discovered a derilict Sagan class ROM Patrol Cruiser

Regards PLST
 
It occurs to me that it might be a good idea to try and create of list of ship classes and see if we can "stat" them out as best as possible. I attempted to stat out in CT terms, the ship as best as I could. I was unfortunately, running into problems because of the USP for the ships didn't seem to make sense. I was using the shipyard program to try and build it. Can anyone stat out what the Saberwolf and show me what I was doing wrong? I note that the ship was TL 13, 5,000 Dtons, Wedge shaped. Jump 4 Manuever 6 with 45 staterooms, cargo space 43, agiltiy 6, model 6 computer, and 1 missle hold. I noted that it had 1 beam laser battery x5 at USP +5, 1 Missile batter x1 at +6, sandcaster battery x5 at +5 USP, plasma gun battery x2 at +7 USP. Since I don't have the actual T20 book, I don't know how to translate the TA 7 PDF into CT stats.

But it does seem to be possible to pull out actual class names, class performances and the like. Anyone wanna have a shot at it?
 
+ We have the TL14 versions of the Chrysantemum and Fer-de-Lance class ships (both exists in TL-15 versions also)
Small problem with that. TL14 versions of Chrysantemum and Fer-de-Lance class ships wouldn't be called Chrysantemum and Fer-de-Lance class; they would be two different classes. At least, if a difference in tech level didn't make two kinds of ship different classes, I don't know what would.


Hans
 
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Small problem with that. TL14 versions of Chrysantemum and Fer-de-Lance class ships wouldn't be called Chrysantemum and Fer-de-Lance class; they would be two different classes. At last, if a difference in tech level didn't make two kinds of ship different classes, I don't know what would.
Hans

I'm not so sure doesn't GURPS have the same class at different TL's?

ie The Xenon class cruiser has a generic size, but power /armament and capabilities depend upon which TL it is built at?

Regards

David
 
I'm not so sure doesn't GURPS have the same class at different TL's?
Possibly there are such cases, but I don't recall any, and I do know that the series of Type T patrol ships detailed in GT:Starhips are different classes for different TLs. The GTL9 version is the Rudra class, the GTL10 version is the Vayu, the GTL11 version is the Skanda class, and the GTL12 version is the Dyaus class.

Obviously the hulls couldn't possibly be identical, since they'd be built of different alloys, have different armor thicknesses, and have components like the power plants that are of different sizes. Deckplans might be close enough that you could use deckplans for one to represent the others for game purposes, but they couldn't be truly the same.

(Note that there are presumably many different Type T classes at each tech level. These are just those featured in GT:SS).


Hans
 
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Obviously the hulls couldn't possibly be identical, since they'd be built of different alloys, have different armor thicknesses, and have components like the power plants that are of different sizes. Deckplans might be close enough that you could use deckplans for one to represent the others for game purposes, but they couldn't be truly the same.

(Note that there are presumably many different Type T classes at each tech level. These are just those featured in GT:SS).
Hans

Sorry I've checked my GURPS Dragon class SDB deckplans and they refer to
the lower tech version as the Guardian. Not sure where I got the idea from now.

Regards

David
 
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