Rhialto the Marvelous
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Colin & Ted: Do you have any reason to believe that it will? Given that Hunter has disappeared yet again, at least from CotI, and that the promised pdf has not materialized. Are you in touch with him at all?
So will this ever be published?
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The last I heard from Hunter was early last week, and he is still plugging away at the interim version. One of the reasons for the delay is my writing style, I'm afraid, which uses a great many call-outs and sidebars. The sidebars seem to be causing him a few headaches, which he pretty much has to just work through.
Ted is working on the full layout as well, but this is going slowly, due to the need to develop art as we go along, to avoid mucking up the layout later. I've been working with him on concepts, which he is translating to pen and screen.
So progress is being made. Please keep in mind that seeing as how Hunter has already paid me, the only way he can recoup that money is by bringing 2320AD to light, and to the press. So that bodes well for an eventual release.
One caveat: I'm not formally associated with QLI. I just wrote the book, and am now helping with layout and a bit of artwork. I am not privy to the inner workings at QLI, so I can't really either speak for Hunter, or speak with much authority as to what is going on. Just so everyone knows.
Thanks.
Ted is working on the full layout as well, but this is going slowly, due to the need to develop art as we go along, to avoid mucking up the layout later. I've been working with him on concepts, which he is translating to pen and screen.
So progress is being made. Please keep in mind that seeing as how Hunter has already paid me, the only way he can recoup that money is by bringing 2320AD to light, and to the press. So that bodes well for an eventual release.
One caveat: I'm not formally associated with QLI. I just wrote the book, and am now helping with layout and a bit of artwork. I am not privy to the inner workings at QLI, so I can't really either speak for Hunter, or speak with much authority as to what is going on. Just so everyone knows.
Thanks.
Rhialto the Marvelous
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Thanks, Colin! That actually sounds very positive. So long as people are actually working on it, delays don't bother me. Having worked as an editor, I know those will always happen.
Yup, we're plugging away at it. We're in the process of bringing additional artists online to assist with illustration needs and I am working on getting the 2320AD Lite Preview PDF ready for release.
When this project was restarted, I had all but given up on it, so I didn't have any time allocated to work on it. Thus, I'm trying to work it in along with my day job, my software company and raising three young children. However, excellent progress is being made.
2300AD has always been one of my favorite settings and this project is really a labor of love for me. I really appreciate the enthusiasm that the community has shown for the book so far. I'm doing my best to ensure that everything meets and exceeds the high standards that have been set by preceding products.
- Ted
When this project was restarted, I had all but given up on it, so I didn't have any time allocated to work on it. Thus, I'm trying to work it in along with my day job, my software company and raising three young children. However, excellent progress is being made.
2300AD has always been one of my favorite settings and this project is really a labor of love for me. I really appreciate the enthusiasm that the community has shown for the book so far. I'm doing my best to ensure that everything meets and exceeds the high standards that have been set by preceding products.
- Ted
scottmcgougan
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I don't suppose anyone is checking customer support emails periodically in between plugs, are they? I've been waiting for over 30 days for a copy of Traveller20, as well as Moot access with no response from any of the customer support email s related to QLI/RPGRealms. I'm as excited about 2320AD as anyone, but I'm a bit frustrated here.
Any response, even it's along the lines of "we're kinda hosed - bear with us" would be better than the month-long stonewalling I've received so far.
Any response, even it's along the lines of "we're kinda hosed - bear with us" would be better than the month-long stonewalling I've received so far.
Rhialto the Marvelous
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Scott, Ted is not an employee of QLI. QLI is Hunter Gordon, and nobody else. You may want to post in the CotI website forum.
I have to second that. Neither Ted not myself work for QLI. We are contractors, doing work-for-hire (very cool work-for-hire, but nonetheless...) QuikLink Interactive is Hunter Gordon, and concerns should be addressed to him, not us. Neither Ted nor myself is in any way responsible for QLI, nor do we have any inside information on their (his) business operations.
2320AD will be cool, and will come out, just bear with QLI for the time being.
2320AD will be cool, and will come out, just bear with QLI for the time being.
As Ted has said in a previous post, artists are being brought on board to make the book really stand out from other products (I will be one of them). It IS frustrating but remember that all the contributors are in this for the love of the game not the money and are just as eager to see print. QLI and it's contractors/freelancers want to make this the best thing they'll work on so they're making sure everything is as best as it could be. I used to be worried and cynical about the 'hunter is missing' issue (nowhere near as bad as some I might add) but let me reassure you that, as far as I have been privy to proceedings, it really is just because everybody involved is hard at work. New artists are being given briefs (me included) and are about to make their contribution (my work can be done in a short period of time).
Ted, Colin & Hunter.... keep up the good work!
Steff
scottmcgougan
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I appreciate the comment, and Colin has said much the same thing before, as well as passing along a note to Hunter on my behalf, but if I'm trying to get the attention of QLI and RPGRealms, and that's one person, will posting yet another post in any part of CotI gain me any more visibility than using the official contacts listed, as well as having a note passed by one of the authors of their primary products in development (again, thanks for the above-and-beyond assistance you've provided, Colin)?
If he's ignoring Colin on this issue (and from my perspective, what he's doing is indistinguishable from that), and Colin's the sole author of one the most anticipated products in the pipeline, what hope do I have?
I do have some hope, but I'm approaching the deadline where I can no longer make a claim via PayPal's process, and given no communication, I have little choice to do otherwise than escalate.
Having said all of that, I *do* now understand that none of you are QLI employees, and so I realize that this is little more than telling my troubles to the bartender, but a man's gotta cry into his beer sometimes.
Hell, even Pentapods get the blues.
-Scott
bryan gibson
Absent Friend
I don't know of any way of stating this without sounding like a snot, so I'll state it plainly anyway with apologies in advance and hoping it will be recognized that being s shithead isn't the intent, but being clear is:
I've been thru this before, as have Colin, and various others, and I can say this from first hand perspective.
If you have a problem with QLI, Im in sympathy, but griping at the writers serves no purpose at all, beyond annoying the shit out of them ( because as already stated, they cant do anything about it)and every time they have to respond to reiterate that fact costs them time, troiuble and distracts from the task at hand, to wit, getting the book in question out.
If you need to get an update from Hunter, recognize the ONLY one that will provide that is Hunter, as he's QLI. Nobody else can provide that.
And, what the writers are far to polite to just say ( and I am NOT affiliated with them, though I will speak for their behalf) is that if you feel the need to cry in your beer, go to a bar and cry there.
Back when QLI took a powder the first time, I got emails, posts and all manner of other complaints expecting me to provide resolutrions and information, none of which I could do a damn thing about, because just like Colin and Ted I wasn't QLI.
Please don't pester the writers! because they are both decent fellows and will go out of their way to respond, to tell folks they cant do anything about QLI issues, rather then telling folks to please just go away and let 'em work.
Providing service or resoultions is not their job. Forwarding complaints is not their job.And, regardless of your well founded concerns , its damn rude to expect it to be.
Problems with QLI and a lack of info? All about that and you have my complete sympathy, but posting to the writers won't help - pester Hunter instead!
scottmcgougan
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Uh, wow.
Sometimes I forget how oddly forums can filter/transform ones intended presentation. If my interaction with Colin and Ted came across as badly as yours just did to me, then I apologize abjectly to both for pestering them. I had no idea that my interaction with either counted as, or seemed to be, pestering behavior.
Given that, I'll now return all of my issues with QLI/Hunter Gordon to the (completely unresponsive) customer support email contacts listed on the website, and the PayPal remediation process, and leave the forum topics/threads to more optimistic folk. Good luck to you all.
I've been thru this before, as have Colin, and various others, and I can say this from first hand perspective.
If you have a problem with QLI, Im in sympathy, but griping at the writers serves no purpose at all, beyond annoying the shit out of them ( because as already stated, they cant do anything about it)and every time they have to respond to reiterate that fact costs them time, troiuble and distracts from the task at hand, to wit, getting the book in question out.
If you need to get an update from Hunter, recognize the ONLY one that will provide that is Hunter, as he's QLI. Nobody else can provide that.
And, what the writers are far to polite to just say ( and I am NOT affiliated with them, though I will speak for their behalf) is that if you feel the need to cry in your beer, go to a bar and cry there.
Back when QLI took a powder the first time, I got emails, posts and all manner of other complaints expecting me to provide resolutrions and information, none of which I could do a damn thing about, because just like Colin and Ted I wasn't QLI.
Please don't pester the writers! because they are both decent fellows and will go out of their way to respond, to tell folks they cant do anything about QLI issues, rather then telling folks to please just go away and let 'em work.
Providing service or resoultions is not their job. Forwarding complaints is not their job.And, regardless of your well founded concerns , its damn rude to expect it to be.
Problems with QLI and a lack of info? All about that and you have my complete sympathy, but posting to the writers won't help - pester Hunter instead! </font>[/QUOTE]
Sometimes I forget how oddly forums can filter/transform ones intended presentation. If my interaction with Colin and Ted came across as badly as yours just did to me, then I apologize abjectly to both for pestering them. I had no idea that my interaction with either counted as, or seemed to be, pestering behavior.
Given that, I'll now return all of my issues with QLI/Hunter Gordon to the (completely unresponsive) customer support email contacts listed on the website, and the PayPal remediation process, and leave the forum topics/threads to more optimistic folk. Good luck to you all.
I don't know of any way of stating this without sounding like a snot, so I'll state it plainly anyway with apologies in advance and hoping it will be recognized that being s shithead isn't the intent, but being clear is:
I've been thru this before, as have Colin, and various others, and I can say this from first hand perspective.
If you have a problem with QLI, Im in sympathy, but griping at the writers serves no purpose at all, beyond annoying the shit out of them ( because as already stated, they cant do anything about it)and every time they have to respond to reiterate that fact costs them time, troiuble and distracts from the task at hand, to wit, getting the book in question out.
If you need to get an update from Hunter, recognize the ONLY one that will provide that is Hunter, as he's QLI. Nobody else can provide that.
And, what the writers are far to polite to just say ( and I am NOT affiliated with them, though I will speak for their behalf) is that if you feel the need to cry in your beer, go to a bar and cry there.
Back when QLI took a powder the first time, I got emails, posts and all manner of other complaints expecting me to provide resolutrions and information, none of which I could do a damn thing about, because just like Colin and Ted I wasn't QLI.
Please don't pester the writers! because they are both decent fellows and will go out of their way to respond, to tell folks they cant do anything about QLI issues, rather then telling folks to please just go away and let 'em work.
Providing service or resoultions is not their job. Forwarding complaints is not their job.And, regardless of your well founded concerns , its damn rude to expect it to be.
Problems with QLI and a lack of info? All about that and you have my complete sympathy, but posting to the writers won't help - pester Hunter instead! </font>[/QUOTE]
bryan gibson
Absent Friend
Again, I apologize if all that came off badly, but its just straight talk, and after having been subjected to such attentions before its how many in our position feel. ( again, i don't speak for Ted and Colin, but you would be surprised how many writers and artists mirror my feelings)
I realize that you, Scott, had no ill intentions, but you aren't unique in your apoproach and certainly seem more polite than most, but seriously, no one callls mick jagger because they got screwed by tower records on a sale of a Rolling Stones album, do they?
If you haven't gotten what you need, by all means do what you must - its your dollars,. after all.But we, the guys working on this stuff ( and other projects ) aren't QLI customer serrvice, and the comments, while no doubt distastelful are nonetheless true.
I do regret any hard feelings you have but its plain, simple truths that need being said.
For insight, I reccomend Harlan Ellisons essay xenogenisis on the subject in his collection Edgeworks , page 121, first section.
Give that a read, and you will see why I respond the way I do - its based entirely on fannish experience, and yes, including CoTI and QLI issues.
I realize that you, Scott, had no ill intentions, but you aren't unique in your apoproach and certainly seem more polite than most, but seriously, no one callls mick jagger because they got screwed by tower records on a sale of a Rolling Stones album, do they?
If you haven't gotten what you need, by all means do what you must - its your dollars,. after all.But we, the guys working on this stuff ( and other projects ) aren't QLI customer serrvice, and the comments, while no doubt distastelful are nonetheless true.
I do regret any hard feelings you have but its plain, simple truths that need being said.
For insight, I reccomend Harlan Ellisons essay xenogenisis on the subject in his collection Edgeworks , page 121, first section.
Give that a read, and you will see why I respond the way I do - its based entirely on fannish experience, and yes, including CoTI and QLI issues.
R
Roger Calver
Guest
I have to agree with Mr Gibson here asking Colin and others what the situation is as to a release is fruitless as there not QLI or Hunter.
So the question is....
To Hunter/QLI,
Could you please give us some indication as to the release of 2320AD (either the early launch or the final version) both for PDF and print formats.
It has now been a long time since you mentioned after your return as to its release.
Thanks,
Rog.
So the question is....
To Hunter/QLI,
Could you please give us some indication as to the release of 2320AD (either the early launch or the final version) both for PDF and print formats.
It has now been a long time since you mentioned after your return as to its release.
Thanks,
Rog.
OK, so I realize that the question wasn't asked of me, but I though I would share (sort-of) what appeared in my in-box really early this morning. PDF's of the following, for last-minute error checking:
2320AD Adventurer's Guide
2320AD GM's Guide
2320AD Guide to Alien Encounters
2320AD Technology and Equipment Guide
2320AD Colonial Atlas (colour maps!)
2320AD Vehicle Catalog
So, yeah, something is happening.
2320AD Adventurer's Guide
2320AD GM's Guide
2320AD Guide to Alien Encounters
2320AD Technology and Equipment Guide
2320AD Colonial Atlas (colour maps!)
2320AD Vehicle Catalog
So, yeah, something is happening.
My in-box also recieved the above pdf's. I've got to say that the pdf's that we recieved are obviously not the finished item (my contribution has yet to be placed) but even they will please the ardent 2300AD fan. The info is succinct and to the point (a refreshingly concise read), the global maps are good (as a map artist they're something I pay close attention to), the history timeline extrapolation is fantastic! NO-ONE will be disappointed with this I'm sure!
Compared with 2300's 'pick-a-page and hope' arrangement I think it's a stroke of genius to segregate the sections into 7 books/chapters.
well done guys. I honestly believe, and i don't say this lightly, that Mr. John Andrew Keith would be proud.
Compared with 2300's 'pick-a-page and hope' arrangement I think it's a stroke of genius to segregate the sections into 7 books/chapters.
well done guys. I honestly believe, and i don't say this lightly, that Mr. John Andrew Keith would be proud.
epicenter00
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Two words:
F--K YEAH!
