Subsector Capitals.

[BetterThanLife]

Since the "Sector Duke" is just first among equals and apparently that is subject to change as the situation changes. THe guy that is on the downslide after being deposed as ArchDuke would have the other Subsector DUkes gunning for him.

After all he is certainly out of favor at both Domain and Imperium level. Sounds like the making of an adventure or three. THe problem is that unlike all the previous work in detailing Sectors the Imperial Subsector Capitals in the Ley Sector are missing.

Where are the Subsector Capitals supposed to be? Obviously Duhk is one of them. That still leaves 11 missing. (Even District 268 had an Imperial Subsector Capital even though it was administered from Glisten.)

 

[RainOfSteel]

GT:Nobles indicates that the Sector Duke has "total authority" over all Imperial personnel in the sector (his Imperial Madate is "bigger and better").

This means that the Sector Duke is a little more than "First Among Equals". He is top dog, the boss, the guy in charge, da big cheese, Don Duke, etc. The Subsector Dukes all do exactly what the Sector Duke orders them to do.

As to where the Subsector Capitals in Ley Sector are? It appears that GTD left out this tidbit.

 

[BetterThanLife]

That isn't the impression I got from the CT description in Library data. But then again with Imperial Nobility, they don't rule the planets in the first place. Matter of fact they don't even control the Interstellar trade. They more act as the Emperor's representative in the area but the planets/systems rule themselves. "They function as representatives of "their" world's interests at various levels of the Imperial Administration." Granted that is from the Gateway Sourcebook and so is relatively new to Canon but that is the feel that has always been there for me.

However that definitely doesn't answer the question as to where the Subsector Capitals were.

I was hoping I just missed them.

Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
GT:Nobles indicates that the Sector Duke has "total authority" over all Imperial personnel in the sector (his Imperial Madate is "bigger and better").

This means that the Sector Duke is a little more than "First Among Equals". He is top dog, the boss, the guy in charge, da big cheese, Don Duke, etc. The Subsector Dukes all do exactly what the Sector Duke orders them to do.

As to where the Subsector Capitals in Ley Sector are? It appears that GTD left out this tidbit.

 

[rancke]

Originally posted by Bhoins:
That isn't the impression I got from the CT description in Library data.

Me neither, but I'll have to see for myself what GT:Nobles says. I suspect it may be a little more open to interpretation.


Hans

 

[Psion]

I'm not aware of there being SSCaps designated anywhere. I'd probably assign something like this:

A - Has an annoying lack of hi pop worlds with good starports. Consider Econdora (Ley 0201 A400674-E N) or MARUUR LIS (0107 C564976-5)

B - DUKH (1210 A6659C9-C A) (Though IMTU, Shamokin is a world of major importance to the Imperial Navy)

C - Pretty pitiful pickings here too. I'd assume this is mostly administered from DUKH, perhaps ramping up the local administration on Kimirk (1909 B77569A-8) or Damzi (1703 D530A68-9) (Damzi has higher tech and pop, but it's D starport indicates it's fairly isolated)

E - Clearly Daramm (0812 A76AA76-E B)

F - Sarun (1315 B400993-E)

G - Probably Khimudire (2019 B567A9A-C)

I - Probably Nicaceum (0530 A522775-C)

J - Nundis seems the most likely candidate (1228 A300A99-A) though IMTU, to explain why this world develops tech G by 1100 but is only tech A now, my theory was that it is being deliberately "held back" for economic and political reason, and I'd probably call Sentry (0921 B5A8ACB-D) the capital instead.

K - Saramid (2222 A20099A-E N) or Bastion (2227 B6489A6-C N)

M - L’Orient (0231 A547644-A)

N - Kiikkedia (1235 B868A8A-B) or Ohasset (1435 A510998-D). Kiikkedia is more hospitable, but not on any mains and with an inferior starport, which would make it less significant from a trade standpoint.

O - Annabapar (1936 A4367A9-D B) if you want to assume the Archduke's seat is also the subsector seat. You might consider Glen Murdoch (1837 A54A742-B) otherwise.

 

[BrennanHawkwood]

Good ideas Psion. Working from your assignments I have now decided where the sscaps will be for my campaign.

I mostly went with your suggestions except that I went with Nundis for J. I am not terribly familiar with this region in 1100 so I am not to concerned with rapid increase in tech level. I wanted to avoid Sentry since it is oddly placed and no mention of it being subsector capitol was made in the Linkworlds Cluster adventure. According to that document, Sentry has a Marquis who tends to handle things for the cluster rather than matters being handled 'outcluster' by one of the three subsector dukes which have jurisdiction in the cluster.

Another option for that subsector might be Shanape. It only has a B starport, but is a high pop world with a higher tech level than Nundis in 993.

 

[BetterThanLife]

In all previous setting books the Subsector Capitals were always type A Starports. (Except Mertractor and there are no Imperium worlds with class A starports in District 268.) They are always on the XBoat Network as well. They aren't always High Pop, but usually are. They, in the past haven't been less than TL10, But given the Imperial Max is 14 in 998, perhaps that can be put back to 9. Given the description though I would think 10 would be the bottom level. They usually have a Naval Base.

Psion I like your ideas and before looking I came to pretty much the same conclusions, but now I am going to go back and see how many subsectors don't have Class A Starports and use that as the minimal criteria.

 

[BetterThanLife]

Given the notes in my previous post, and looking over Psion's arguments for his choices I came up with this list.

A. Econdora 0201 A400674-E N

B. DUKH 1210 A6659C9-C Both Sector Cap.

C. Administered from DUKH but Capital
Kimirk 1909 B77569A-8 ???

E. DARAMM 0812 A76AA76-E Both

F. Sashi 1217 A413542-E Though I am tempted to make DUHK in F and use Shamokin in B. Also note that Depot is only TL B???

G. Kimu 2117 A200862-D N And the XBoat swings over to it even though it would be faster to drop right through.

H. Administered from Kimu but once it becomes a full member SSISSTH. (And add it to the Xboat network out of Kimu.)

I. Nicaceum 0530 A522775-C

J. Griik Maeii 1528 A575587-A You have several choices but this appears to be an XBoat Node.

K. Shikirmi 1730 A364746-A

L. Administered from Shikimri but once it becomes a full member Irdashdis (Extending the XBoat net or KHUUR (Once its starport is rebuilt as an incentive to enter the Imperium.

)

M. Ipsham 0533 A594342-C W though equal arguments can be made for L'Orient 0231 A547644-A.

N. OHASSET 1435 A510998-D

O. Dadegadi 1836 A443745-C Since Anapabar had virtually nothing before Archduke Erechs got there.

Glimmerdrift B. 025-841 1302 A9B6631-A N
Isda Kaille's TL is too low but I have a problem with a Subsector Capital being known by an Astrographic Catalog number. Perhaps the residents take a certain pride in the number.

Glimmerdrift M. Lamente 0635 A88A873-B N

And thus brings my list of probable Subsector Capitals in the Gateway Domain to a close.

I do welcome comments and suggestions.

 

[rancke]

Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
GT:Nobles indicates that the Sector Duke has "total authority" over all Imperial personnel in the sector (his Imperial Madate is "bigger and better").

This means that the Sector Duke is a little more than "First Among Equals". He is top dog, the boss, the guy in charge, da big cheese, Don Duke, etc. The Subsector Dukes all do exactly what the Sector Duke orders them to do.

Only in matters that concerns his mandate. Which isn't the entire sector, but sector-level activities.

"Meanwhile, one duke per sector rises to the position of sector duke, holding the Mandate over all Imperial activities organized at the sector level." [GT:Nobles, p. 60[*]]

[*} Yes, I finally got my playtest copy of GT:Nobles. Yay!! .

So the X-boat service in the Duchy of Rhylanor is under Duchess Elaine of Mora's Mandate rather than under Duke Leonard's. But...

"The demesnes of two nobles at the same level in the feudal hierachy (two barons, two counts, and so on) almost never overlap." [ibid.]

...so Duchess Elaine can't give orders to Duke Leonard unless they concern activities organized at the sector level. She'll just have to keep her pretty little nose out of the Duchy of Rhylanor's internal affairs.

Obviously she may be able to put a certain amount of economic pressure on Duke Leonard through her control of those activites organized at the sector level (some of which are bound to have economic ramifications), but that's not quite the same thing.


Hans

 

[RainOfSteel]

So . . . still no official word on which worlds were Subsector Capitals, then?

 

[clementk]

Hmm I just did a search on my QLI pdf directories and the only matches for "subsector capital" are references on the maps, likely from a standard template, that subsector capital names are in red. No names in red that I could find (at least in the epics or a quick skim through Ley's subsector maps) aside from the Golden Age Epic 1 which is set in the Spinward Marches.

update - however the Gateway book p. 179 in the Imperial Trade Cluster section does state that Annapabar "serves as both the subsector and domain capitals." Jutland was the subsector capital until recently (pp.175-176). The Stolzheins make good villian / patron types.

Note the Imperial Cluster was added late in the process and wasn't present in earlier pdf drafts IIRC. It's well done and the online game Tainted Angel is set mainly in that cluster.

Page numbers are the same in either the print or final pdf versions.

Casey

 

[BetterThanLife]

Nope.

Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
So . . . still no official word on which worlds were Subsector Capitals, then?

 

[BetterThanLife]

OK so they recently moved it to Anapabar. But Jutland? Why Jutland? Did they move the XBoat route too? In all the previous sectors/subsectors in the Imperium all the Subsector capitals were on the XBoat route, and all but one was a Class A starport. (And that Subsector was administratively controlled from Glisten.)

Originally posted by Casey:
Hmm I just did a search on my QLI pdf directories and the only matches for "subsector capital" are references on the maps, likely from a standard template, that subsector capital names are in red. No names in red that I could find (at least in the epics or a quick skim through Ley's subsector maps) aside from the Golden Age Epic 1 which is set in the Spinward Marches.

update - however the Gateway book p. 179 in the Imperial Trade Cluster section does state that Annapabar "serves as both the subsector and domain capitals." Jutland was the subsector capital until recently (pp.175-176). The Stolzheins make good villian / patron types.

Note the Imperial Cluster was added late in the process and wasn't present in earlier pdf drafts IIRC. It's well done and the online game Tainted Angel is set mainly in that cluster.

Page numbers are the same in either the print or final pdf versions.

Casey

 

[clementk]

Originally posted by Bhoins:
OK so they recently moved it to Anapabar. But Jutland? Why Jutland? Did they move the XBoat route too? In all the previous sectors/subsectors in the Imperium all the Subsector capitals were on the XBoat route, and all but one was a Class A starport.

IIRC you have the Gateway book either in pdf and/or in print. Pages 174-176* have the answers. Regardless the UWPs are publically available. Jutland does have a Class A Starport. </font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Jutland 1838 A336744-A Ni 703 Im K1 V</pre>[/QUOTE]Suffice it to say the Stolzheins of Jutland were there first, as rulers of the subsector before it became part of the Imperium. They were also corrupt enough that when the current Archduke shows up in the neighborhood Duke Stolzhein becomes Governor Stolzhein.

I would assume the XBoat route moved.

Casey

* I missed citing the starting paragraph on 174 earlier

, there's also the map / UWP listing on page 180

 

[BetterThanLife]

Moving an XBoat route is likely to seriously tick off the local population. Not saying it couldn't be done, hell it would involve moving a couple of XBoat tenders and a, probably modular, commo station. (Which would probably fit in the boat bay of an XBoat Tender or two.) Moving it is the easy part, the resulting backlash by the population being cut off from timely news is definitely a different problem. Perhaps this was in an attempt to get a popular uprising against the Govenor?

Originally posted by Casey:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bhoins:
OK so they recently moved it to Anapabar. But Jutland? Why Jutland? Did they move the XBoat route too? In all the previous sectors/subsectors in the Imperium all the Subsector capitals were on the XBoat route, and all but one was a Class A starport.

IIRC you have the Gateway book either in pdf and/or in print. Pages 174-176* have the answers. Regardless the UWPs are publically available. Jutland does have a Class A Starport. </font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Jutland 1838 A336744-A Ni 703 Im K1 V</pre>[/QUOTE]Suffice it to say the Stolzheins of Jutland were there first, as rulers of the subsector before it became part of the Imperium. They were also corrupt enough that when the current Archduke shows up in the neighborhood Duke Stolzhein becomes Governor Stolzhein.

I would assume the XBoat route moved.

Casey

* I missed citing the starting paragraph on 174 earlier

, there's also the map / UWP listing on page 180 </font>[/QUOTE]

 

[clementk]

Originally posted by Bhoins:
Moving an XBoat route is likely to seriously tick off the local population.
...
Perhaps this was in an attempt to get a popular uprising against the Govenor?

At the least it would be punishment for the ex-Duke and his associates. "If a more receptive Governor to Our Views happens to come into power...what a fortunate happenstance."

With the ducal title now up for grabs, along with all the other happenings, the Imperial Cluster is far from quiet.

Casey

 

[BetterThanLife]

There aren't really quiet places in Gateway Domain. But it is frontier, what do you expect.

If you want order and quiet go to the Vilani Sector, where nothing ever changes.

(And even there you are likely to run into Vargr Corsairs.

)

Originally posted by Casey:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bhoins:
Moving an XBoat route is likely to seriously tick off the local population.
...
Perhaps this was in an attempt to get a popular uprising against the Govenor?

At the least it would be punishment for the ex-Duke and his associates. "If a more receptive Governor to Our Views happens to come into power...what a fortunate happenstance."

With the ducal title now up for grabs, along with all the other happenings, the Imperial Cluster is far from quiet.

Casey </font>[/QUOTE]