Subsector without a Naval Base

[Garnfellow]

Anise Subsector, in position D of Magyar Sector, is almost entirely within the Imperium and borders the Solomani Confederation. But there are no naval bases. What does this imply about the subsector fleet?

• Is the fleet operated out of neighboring subsectors?
• Operating within Anise, but without the benefit of having a base?
• Could you just not have a subsector fleet? Seems unwise, given the proximity of the Confederation and the number of hi pop worlds.
• Or is this situation so messed up a base MUST be somewhere within the subsector?

The Rebellion Sourcebook describes Anise as being defended by the 20th Fleet. Neighboring Clown subsector has a base, is almost all Imperial, but doesn't have an associated numbered fleet. I don't know what year the Sourcebook is set in: it looks like all of Clown is within the Confederation.

 

[McPerth]

It seems to me that the 20^th fleet would cover both subsectors, served from the blase in Clown...

IIRC the Rebellion Sourcebook fleet deployement is set at the death of Strephon (1116).

 

[rancke]

Anise Subsector, in position D of Magyar Sector, is almost entirely within the Imperium and borders the Solomani Confederation. But there are no naval bases. What does this imply about the subsector fleet?

• Is the fleet operated out of neighboring subsectors?
• Operating within Anise, but without the benefit of having a base?
• Could you just not have a subsector fleet? Seems unwise, given the proximity of the Confederation and the number of hi pop worlds.
• Or is this situation so messed up a base MUST be somewhere within the subsector?

My solution: Anise's Space TL is advanced beyond its High Common TL of 14, enabling it to support a TL15 fleet. For historical reasons the political relationship between Anise and the Imperium is most cordial and has led to the Imperial fleet in the subsector being supported by Anise's naval infrastructure.


Hans

 

[Orr]

The only implication here is that the subsector was created randomly, that the process didn't result in a naval base being present, and no one at the time saw the need to "hand fit" the subsector into the setting as a whole.

Pick a likely system or systems, add a naval base or bases, and the "problem" is "solved".

 

[rancke]

The only implication here is that the subsector was created randomly, that the process didn't result in a naval base being present, and no one at the time saw the need to "hand fit" the subsector into the setting as a whole.

Pick a likely system or systems, add a naval base or bases, and the "problem" is "solved".

I'm all in favor of changing randomly generated facts about the OTU that can't be explained. I just don't think the absence of an Imperial naval base in a subsector is such a fact, as long as there is a member world there with the ability to support a fleet. It implies a closer than standard relationship between the member world and the Imperium, that's all.


Hans

 

[Garnfellow]

I'm all in favor of changing randomly generated facts about the OTU that can't be explained.

That's where I'm at. The situation is weird, but certainly doesn't seem impossible. I was more interested if someone could provide a compelling explanation or an example of something similar from another subsector.

 

[mike wightman]

How about the adventure possibility - several worlds are tendering for the location of an IN base but the final decision has yet to be taken.

 

[rancke]

That's where I'm at. The situation is weird, but certainly doesn't seem impossible. I was more interested if someone could provide a compelling explanation or an example of something similar from another subsector.

No explanation, no, but quite a few similar situations, namely subsector capitals without IN bases. In at least some of the cases (posssibly most, I haven't checked) there are IN bases elsewhere in the subsector, but as I take it for granted that a subsector duke will want the fleet admiral residing on the capital world where he is within comm call and also take it for granted that an admiral will want a sizable part of his fleet stationed with him, these appear (to me at least) to be comparable situations.


Hans

 

[Garnfellow]

How about the adventure possibility - several worlds are tendering for the location of an IN base but the final decision has yet to be taken.

Yeah, I think there are some interesting possibilities. Also, was there a base somewhere that got decommissioned?

Leading candidates for a new base and/or recently decommissioned base are Sabuda (2506 A632100-E), Pinnock (2701 A8C9876-E), Anise (2904 A5419B7-E), and Gustin (3206 A779444-E).

Anise seems a natural, as it is the subsector capital and the only important world.

Pinnock and Gustin are a little out of the way, and Gustin is Amber Zoned.

Sabuta has the location but the combination of low population, TL, and starport are weird. Maybe the base was formerly in Sabuta and the 20th is temporarily based out of Clown while a new base is selected/completed/etc.

Maybe Sabuta will be the location of the new base, but it's many years behind schedule and over budget: contractors are furiously working to finish the job.

 

[Garnfellow]

Possibly related and/or unrelated thought: Magyar has six dukes, including two in Voyager. No sector capital. It also isn't part of any Imperial domain.

Is there a sector duke? And if so, would the duke report directly to the emperor. If not, would all six dukes report directly to the emperor? That might not be bad compensation for having a fief at the tail end of the Imperium.

Maybe the dukes of Magyar have bigger and better colonial fleets than their counterparts elsewhere. To build on Hans' idea, maybe Anise has a colonial base that is used by the Imperial Navy?

 

[rancke]

Possibly related and/or unrelated thought: Magyar has six dukes, including two in Voyager. No sector capital. It also isn't part of any Imperial domain.

If there is no sector capital, presumably the duchies in Magyar are administratively a part of a neighboring sector, either the Solomani Rim or Daibei.

Is there a sector duke? And if so, would the duke report directly to the emperor. If not, would all six dukes report directly to the emperor? That might not be bad compensation for having a fief at the tail end of the Imperium.

Any subsector duke would report to Capital on affairs concerning his duchy. A sector duke would report on affairs concerning his own duchy and concerning sector-wide affairs.

Maybe the dukes of Magyar have bigger and better colonial fleets than their counterparts elsewhere. To build on Hans' idea, maybe Anise has a colonial base that is used by the Imperial Navy?

Any worlds with the budget to maintain a planetary fleet would have a base, although it may be called something else (though I can't think what).

Oh, and I don't think the IN would close its only base in a subsector before opening another first. Besides, where would that former base have been located? If on Anise, why was it closed? And if it was elsewhere, why not on Anise?


Hans

 

[Dagrill]

Sabuta has the location but the combination of low population, TL, and starport are weird. Maybe the base was formerly in Sabuta and the 20th is temporarily based out of Clown while a new base is selected/completed/etc.

Maybe Sabuta will be the location of the new base, but it's many years behind schedule and over budget: contractors are furiously working to finish the job.

I like both these options, not sure how under a hundred people can otherwise maintain a TL E civilisation. Contractors of course would not be included in the population as they head home when the work is completed, that's an incentive to finish on time!

Regards

David

 

[rancke]

I like both these options, not sure how under a hundred people can otherwise maintain a TL E civilisation.

The same way all other low-population worlds (a.k.a. outposts) maintain a technological civilization. They earn enough money one way or another to import all the TL14 goods and equipment they use.


Hans

 

[BlackBat242]

Or the IN there simply ran into too many political fights over the location of the proposed base, and to soothe Ducal prides that it was decided to simply contract out with shipyards in the largest 3-6 systems in the sector to provide maintenance & supply support, with each shipyard handling a part of the fleet.

 

[rancke]

Or the IN there simply ran into too many political fights over the location of the proposed base, and to soothe Ducal prides that it was decided to simply contract out with shipyards in the largest 3-6 systems in the sector to provide maintenance & supply support, with each shipyard handling a part of the fleet.

Shipyards only provide part of the support a fleet needs.


Hans

 

[Dagrill]

The same way all other low-population worlds (a.k.a. outposts) maintain a technological civilization. They earn enough money one way or another to import all the TL14 goods and equipment they use.
Hans

I always thought TL was the manufacturing TL?

Clearly a planet like Tondoul in 5 sister's needs to import parts, so why isn't it's TL higher?

Regards

David

 

[rancke]

I always thought TL was the manufacturing TL?

That's one of the official definitions. But it doesn't work, because there are lots of canonical examples where it just doesn't fit. Such as mining outposts where the manufacturing TL would be 0 (everything is imported).

The definition also assumes that manufacturing TL and maintenance&repair TL is the same, which is not always the case. Denmark imports all its cars, so it doesn't build any, but it has hundreds of high skilled mechanics employed repairing cars (using imported parts).

Clearly a planet like Tondoul in 5 sister's needs to import parts, so why isn't it's TL higher?

The parts they import are TL7? Or their manufacturing level is 7?


Hans

 

[Dagrill]

The parts they import are TL7? Or their manufacturing level is 7?Hans

On my old map Tondoul is TL4 (not sure where TL7 came from as I it is 4 in Supplement 3 as well).

If TL4 is the manufacturing TL and TL7 the TL of imports, it still seems a tad low to support 5 million beings given a trace atmosphere and the water is presumably in ice caps.

Kind Regards

David