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[Reginald]

Originally posted by William:

The mini's thing started out in the OGL document because as 3e was coming out WOTC also had "Chainmail" and it's associated mini's coming out and they didn't want any competition. Well that version of Chainmail stank (imo and all that) and was whacked in August 2002.http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=minis/ch20020627x

Which is weird because they whacked it when it won some kind of Origin Award or something.

However the restriction still stands tying the hands of any D20 producer.

See my above example.

And despite low sale (honestly, why make a miniatures skirmish combat game when D&D Core Rulebook already include such a skirmish rule), they decided to go back to the drawing board and come up with a better (hopefully geared toward mass-combat) miniatures wargame.

And they come up with CMG. Affordable, plastic, pre-painted CMG, albeit not the clickable kind (WizKids holds the patent to that ... correct me if I'm wrong).

Personally, they should just make Chainmail miniatures product line, period, for use with D&D.

 

[Fulminata]

From what I understand, Chainmail got whacked not because it wasn't doing well, but because it wasn't doing as well as they had expected. Apparently they thought it was going to be the next Pokemon or something

 

[Bruce]

I think that they wanted Chainmail to compete with allt he GW products for minitures. Like warhammer et al.
How do you stop that juggernaught? I don't know. GW is so firmly secured in the minitiures/table top wargame battle game genre, that anything new is just looked at terrtiarially...I think WOTC/HASBRO thought that witht he popularity of 3e, that they could bring out a miniturues battle game to compete with the GW stuff and that the people who played 3e would be "loyal" brand followers and flock to it instead of GW.

Just my thoughts on it...

Bruce
The Man Behind the Curtain

 

[Ellros]

About GW... Now, I'm a loyal Warhammer 40k fan and player, but geez, they are getting expensive. Model tanks cost less than some of theirs. A lot less in some cases.

 

[Reginald]

Personally, they shouldn't compete with GW and Warhammer, Bruce, not if you're going to present the miniature product line for a skirmish combat game.

If they're going to make minis, they should make minis for their RPGs.

Of course, cheap SOBs like me prefer flat, two-dimensional tokens. Speaking of which, do you know anyone making Traveller tokens, or any tokens for sci-fi RPG. I'd like one with Aslan and Vagr type aliens.

 

[sandman]

Originally posted by Reginald:
Of course, cheap SOBs like me prefer flat, two-dimensional tokens. Speaking of which, do you know anyone making Traveller tokens, or any tokens for sci-fi RPG. I'd like one with Aslan and Vagr type aliens.

I think that some of the Gurps Deckplans has "Cardboard Heros(tm)" for Traveller.