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The Veteran's Jacket (Good for both OTU/ProtoTraveller Settings)

In some regions, it is common to see men and women who have served in an armed force or who have travelled for long journeys across the stars to either purchase or obtain a jacket of this type.

Usually, it is either a jack or mesh jacket, but in some areas a synthetic fiber jacket is the base. The left breast has the individual's name, final rank, and service in all cases. Pilot will wear flight wings appropriate to their service, Army veterans may wear regimental insignia here, and Marines wear the badge of their Corps. Call signs would go here as well. The right often has a command insignia, or may be blank. The right shoulder carries the national or mercenary command logo the wearer is most comfortable with. The left may have a different command's insignia, especially if the wearer served in combat. The back of the jacket, though, is often the most intricately decorated. It often has patches of vehicles the wearer drove, ships served on, major exercises, and historic incidents avoided or participated in. It is almost a visual resume of the wearer's experiences. So if you hear the old Sarge is going out to the frontier, a good retirement gift is a mesh or jack with something to note his service. It might save his life or get him in with the right people.

Cost: Easily twice to three times the base cost for jack or mesh armor.

Legality: Because these are mostly seen as 'keepsakes' and a part of Travelling culture, most law enforcement will not overly harass wearers of these jackets. However, if the 'privilege' is being abused, expect some kind of social sanction, such as being followed, or denouncement by a local veterans organizations.

I got this idea from having seen customized MA-1 jackets by more recent US veterans, and the old flight jackets with custom paint jobs. My grandfather had a custom silk embroidered jacket made for him in Japan during the Korean War.
 
In some regions, it is common to see men and women who have served in an armed force or who have travelled for long journeys across the stars to either purchase or obtain a jacket of this type.

Usually, it is either a jack or mesh jacket, but in some areas a synthetic fiber jacket is the base. The left breast has the individual's name, final rank, and service in all cases. Pilot will wear flight wings appropriate to their service, Army veterans may wear regimental insignia here, and Marines wear the badge of their Corps. Call signs would go here as well. The right often has a command insignia, or may be blank. The right shoulder carries the national or mercenary command logo the wearer is most comfortable with. The left may have a different command's insignia, especially if the wearer served in combat. The back of the jacket, though, is often the most intricately decorated. It often has patches of vehicles the wearer drove, ships served on, major exercises, and historic incidents avoided or participated in. It is almost a visual resume of the wearer's experiences. So if you hear the old Sarge is going out to the frontier, a good retirement gift is a mesh or jack with something to note his service. It might save his life or get him in with the right people.

Cost: Easily twice to three times the base cost for jack or mesh armor.

Legality: Because these are mostly seen as 'keepsakes' and a part of Travelling culture, most law enforcement will not overly harass wearers of these jackets. However, if the 'privilege' is being abused, expect some kind of social sanction, such as being followed, or denouncement by a local veterans organizations.

I got this idea from having seen customized MA-1 jackets by more recent US veterans, and the old flight jackets with custom paint jobs. My grandfather had a custom silk embroidered jacket made for him in Japan during the Korean War.

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My anecdote for this is that in my youth, namely the years 18-25ish, I worked in the trades and I tended to wear my dad's old field jacket (Vietnam Era) because it was comfortable, durable, and a way to connect with him. Now, I was a scruffy looking sort, and probably looked like a refugee from the 60's in many ways, but the number of double-takes I received from gentlemen my father's age as they took in the jacket (with MAC-V and ASA patches) and then tried to make it work with my age and the current year was a bit amusing.

Actually provides a nice adventure hook when the traveler sees someone wearing a jacket from their unit, from the right time frame, but doesn't recognize them or it is otherwise incongruous...

D.
 
Actually provides a nice adventure hook when the traveler sees someone wearing a jacket from their unit, from the right time frame, but doesn't recognize them or it is otherwise incongruous...

Actually, that was the hook I'm going to write up.

Also, IMTU, Mesh and Jack can be worn as working attire/casual wear in many areas with out too much attention, especially in colder climates or places where dangerous occupations are common.

kilemall said:
i had this mentioned in terms of scout jackets, although it was more active duty, unofficial mission patches and part of scout culture that 'the jacket does the talking'.

Found it, http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Dis...ghlight=jacket

Certainly does not supersede your suggestion, just a scoutey take on it, think more NASA service jacket.
That particular idea may have come into play somewhere in there. Ideas do tend to float around a bit until a final reaction.
 
As a contrast, note here in the U.S. is the concept of Stolen Valor, which is the use of military uniforms and insignia falsely (typically for veteran benefits).

We apparently have several "extra" SEALs floating around…
 
As a contrast, note here in the U.S. is the concept of Stolen Valor, which is the use of military uniforms and insignia falsely (typically for veteran benefits).

We apparently have several "extra" SEALs floating around…

Most stolen valor cases are handled simply by public shaming. Unless the person doing it has profited in some way from it, there's really little you can do other than call them out on it and publicize their lie.

As a related note, this sort of thing is also service specific. For example, only in the USN with enlisted do you run into "Liberty cuffs" on the jumper blue or white uniform.

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The use of a jacket with patches is more common with air crew and such. Hats or caps are also very common with many veterans.

I still carry a challenge coin, a carry over from service. That's not uncommon. In fact, last week our waiter at a restaurant was ex-Army and he explained because I had mine and he didn't have one on him technically he would have to buy a round of drinks for everyone... Not that I was going to press that...

So, this sort of thing can take many forms and most of those are ones the member does themselves or is a carryover from their service days. Aftermarket purchased items generally carry far less weight in these circumstances.
 
Most stolen valor cases are handled simply by public shaming. Unless the person doing it has profited in some way from it, there's really little you can do other than call them out on it and publicize their lie.

There is NOTHING one can legally do about it except public shaming.
In the US, the courts have overturned the Stolen Valor laws - 9th Circuit, full panel, January 2016. SCOTUS overturned the prior version in 2012. Both times, on freedom of speech grounds.

Less democratic nations often have more stringent enforcement of such laws. Local willingness to enforce such is going to vary WIDELY throughout the 3I.

It's amazing how even groups with Sumptuary laws for their own activities often have individuals flagrantly violating them. I've known several such in the SCA. (All were individuals claiming grant level awards from other kingdoms.)
 
Cloths DO make the man or sophant...whatever.

Quint said:
"Actually provides a nice adventure hook when the traveler sees someone wearing a jacket from their unit, from the right time frame, but doesn't recognize them or it is otherwise incongruous..."

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That's where anti-aging drugs come in...

"Damned Noble officers. Never can tell if they are some young rich punk or a well-preserved veteran. Just goes to show, you really can't judge a book by it's cover."
 
I still have my West Pac Deployment jacket from 1982. The back is covered with patches of the ship (Uss Enterprise) and the squadrons aboard.
 
I still have my West Pac Deployment jacket from 1982. The back is covered with patches of the ship (Uss Enterprise) and the squadrons aboard.

Did that Westpac on the 'prise in EE-30 (Engineering Dept, Load Distribution).
 
I still carry a challenge coin, a carry over from service. That's not uncommon. In fact, last week our waiter at a restaurant was ex-Army and he explained because I had mine and he didn't have one on him technically he would have to buy a round of drinks for everyone... Not that I was going to press that...


Ooo I need to dig mine out ......:cool:
 
There is NOTHING one can legally do about it except public shaming.
In the US, the courts have overturned the Stolen Valor laws - 9th Circuit, full panel, January 2016. SCOTUS overturned the prior version in 2012. Both times, on freedom of speech grounds.

Less democratic nations often have more stringent enforcement of such laws. Local willingness to enforce such is going to vary WIDELY throughout the 3I.

It's amazing how even groups with Sumptuary laws for their own activities often have individuals flagrantly violating them. I've known several such in the SCA. (All were individuals claiming grant level awards from other kingdoms.)
Hello. I'm new.
Yes, I have far more RPG stuff to contribute and I will in the future, but for the moment, I just want to point out that my countrymen have established an excellent way of dealing with these wankers.

http://www.anzmi.net/index.php

Read at your leisure.

I look forward to lecturing you people about the inadequacies of Jump Space, the lack of a working experience system, and the Staaartiing Aaaaaggeee of the characters. :grin:
 
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