dmccoy1693
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Interesting point to note Travellermap.com changed again. Now it includes die Weltbund. Glad this happened now while I have yet to design the neighboring subsector in Foreven.
TravellerMap changed again! Includes Die Weltbund!
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thalassogen
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A side note: The German is horrific (e.g. it should be "Der Weltenbund" and not "Die Weltbund").
An offer: If anybody is in need of correct German words, names, titles, etc. feel free to contact me, or even start a thread for everybody to participate.
An offer: If anybody is in need of correct German words, names, titles, etc. feel free to contact me, or even start a thread for everybody to participate.
Beyond & Vanguard Reaches
Note that both The Beyond and the Vanguard Reaches have reverted to the Old Paranoia Press (original publication) polities for those subsectors, but that the notation at the bottom of the screen says "Apocryphal". So this may or may not be changing again at some point.
Note that both The Beyond and the Vanguard Reaches have reverted to the Old Paranoia Press (original publication) polities for those subsectors, but that the notation at the bottom of the screen says "Apocryphal". So this may or may not be changing again at some point.
dmccoy1693
SOC-13
I expect it will change if Mongoose does those sectors.
If they do, it will be interesting to see which data-set they use (or what they will do to "harmonize" them).
As I recall, there was:
1) The original Paranoia Press data (currently on TravellerMap) - which has some "interesting" worlds, to say the least 
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2) Jo Grant's CORE Data (from Sunbane, I believe - different stellar positions & world & polity names [some of which have canon references in other Traveller material]);
3) Chuck Kallenbach's UPDATED Paranoia Press data which roughly conformed to the CORE-data stellar positions (but with yet another [third] set of polity and world names that drew from both of the above).
http://web.archive.org/web/19970522162511/http://www.inlink.com/~scoundrl/paranoia.htm . The Beyond data is year ca. 1200, but the Vanguard Reaches data is ca. 1120.
;2) Jo Grant's CORE Data (from Sunbane, I believe - different stellar positions & world & polity names [some of which have canon references in other Traveller material]);
3) Chuck Kallenbach's UPDATED Paranoia Press data which roughly conformed to the CORE-data stellar positions (but with yet another [third] set of polity and world names that drew from both of the above).
http://web.archive.org/web/19970522162511/http://www.inlink.com/~scoundrl/paranoia.htm . The Beyond data is year ca. 1200, but the Vanguard Reaches data is ca. 1120.
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Your take-away should be that anything unofficial (i.e. anything not part of the T5SS) could change at any time.
The strata of data I have now are:
Official (which doesn't say anything) - these are T5SS-reviewed sectors
Unreviewed - a small number of sectors published by licensees that haven't gotten the T5SS review yet (e.g. Dark Nebula, Mendan, Riftspan Reaches)
Reserve - i.e. Foreven - this space intentionally left blank.
Apocryphal - published by licensees but de-canonized but also not overwritten by anything more official. This is just the Paranoia sectors and Group One's Theta Borealis. I might toss Far Frontiers into this bucket. These are like the "here there be dragons" sectors on the map.
Unofficial - everything else, including HIWG submissions, random stuff off the Web, Zhodani Core Route, fanzines, dotmap placeholders, and direct submissions to travellermap.com. Great range of quality and detail.
Theophilus
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Exactly how do you know the german is horrific? In 3000 years the language may have changed! English certainly has, lest we sayeth privily, that thou art incorrect.
thalassogen
SOC-12
Normally words don't change gender. They may loose their gender, OK, so it should be "Das Weltenbund". And maybe that apocryphic way of connecting words that German uses gets lost, so "Das Weltbund" sounds reasonable. But Anglic is close to English (except for humaniti and such words, I guess), so why should German change that much?
On the other hand I do remember someone called Force-Ka-man or some such. That would be horrific English for Force Commander...
On the other hand I do remember someone called Force-Ka-man or some such. That would be horrific English for Force Commander...
LeperColony
Traveller Card Game Dev Team
TNE has an adventure with a Forsca Man, but it's supposed to be some tribe's corruption of Force Commander. Apparently in the length of a single human lifetime language degenerated that badly.
Anglic is not close to English at all. It's just that players (usually) speak English.
Can't find the exact book right now but the canon states that "1105 Anglic would have been incomprehensible to Hiroshi Estigarribia (founder of the Second Imperium), and his in turn would be incomprehensible to a modern-day English speaker".
I always thought of Anglic to be a heavily mutated mix of English, Russian, Chinese and old Vilani.
I do think it's kinda unrealistic to "change" German by butchering the word connection rules but leaving the word roots themselves intact. More likely we're just seeing a case of Goodle Translate or somesuch
dmccoy1693
SOC-13
More likely we're just seeing a case of Goodle Translate or somesuch
What was Google Translate called in 1982?
What was Google Translate called in 1982?
An English-German/German-English Dictionary.
