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TWILIGHT 2300

Laryssa

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This is an alternate campaign to the 2300 setting, in this timeline civilization does not recover, an engineered plague is instead released in the aftermath of the TWILIGHT War. The worlds population has only now been brought back up to one million. Mankind's effect on the globe has similarly been reduced. If the population by 2300 is one million, what would you say the low point of the population would have been after the plague has taken its toll?

I'll say the population quintupled every century starting with an initial surviving population of 8000 people.
 
Interesting proposition but 1 million? You're going to spend a lot of time wandering round being very very lonely.

The world population was estimated a 300 million at the start of the common era. A millennium later it was estimated at 310m. The next 500 years saw it double, another 400 and that figure trebles.

Try reducing national populations by a factor of 1000. Devastating in concept, over 6 billion souls lost in the plague. It will leave 6.5 million people alive that could grow to a more reasonable figure of perhaps 9 million, assuming lack of healthcare, predators and generally a hostile environment. It also allows for centres of civilization, population concentrations where people are really trying to put things back together.

If the population worldwide were to fall below 10000 I would suggest humanity would be in serious danger of extinction, not recovery.
 
Yeah sounds reasonable. Basically the concept I'm looking for is that of an Earth gone wild. The holocaust has to be very particular targeting humans specifically buy leaving the rest of the Worlds environment unaffected. Basically trees and plants encroach upon abandoned cities. In the aftermath of the Twilight War, people would not have had the resources or the organization to fight off the plague so mostly they just died. But alot was spared the initial effects of the nuclear war. Alot of houses were perfectly intact but were simply unoccupied, and three centuries of weathering encroaching plants and animal inhabitation has taken their toll. The highways would have cracked and the asphalt would have disintergrated over this time. The humans at this time might have thought that this was some sort of judgement day, they would have tried to survive as best they could by scavenging the ruins, and eventually the stuff that was in easy reach would have been used up, and this just leaves the vaults and things buried underground that are harder to get at. The world of 2300 would have greater forest coverage under this scenario than it does today, their would be less land under cultivation as their would be fewer people to feed. The people who were spared the pague lived in isolation from the rest of humanity to start out with,and they weren't the most technically skilled, and they didn't know how to maintain much of the technology so it fell into disrepair, and their immediate focus was on survival and they didn't have enough manpower to maintian the infrastructure of the manufacturing base, so they kept a level of technology they could maintain. Adter about a century and a half towns and villages began to form, there was still the fear of the plague before then, but the plague had run its course and towns and villages formed and people organized and diversified. A kind of feudalism organized around manor houses took hold in North America, very few people can read, and the art of the printing press was lost, as the more primitive movable type kind didn't exist and most of the more advanced kind didn't function and the key word is most. Basically the native self-reproducable technology is medeval, steel is however much cheaper than in the original middle-ages due to all the scrap that is laying around, I imagine that this would bring down the price of platemail and swords quite a bit, however guns are also quite durable, and they can last a long time. Much harder to find are vehicles that actually work, although the rusted hulks of many abandoned cars are quite common, the ones that were buried under refuse and dirt probably have more usable scrap metal in them than the ones that were exposed to air, and every once in a while a time capsule or a vault is uncovered. Certain people anticipated the end of days, and took measures to preserve certain items so that they wouldn't be exposed to the elements. Even during the plague there was time to store things in vaults, there were people doing this during the last days after the initial Twilight war.

Most people are illiterate in this world, although their are learned sages that can still read and write English. Uncovering a working technological artifact can and has changed the local balance of power many times.

The interstates are still well travelled, but this time with horses and wagons, the fact that there is two of these roads running parallel to each other is often a mystery to many people who use them as are the strange black rock paving stones that are very brittle and shatter easily. Mostly the highways are dirt and rock at this time kept clear by the traffic and the ruts of wagon wheels.
 
Originally posted by Border Reiver:

...If the population worldwide were to fall below 10000 I would suggest humanity would be in serious danger of extinction, not recovery.
About the only thing I remember from first-year biology is the prof saying that you need at least ten thousand individuals in one group for a viable population.

8000 people across the whole planet? Extinction express.
 
So 9999 doesn't work but 10,000 does?

I think other species have survived such fates. Look at the people on Pitcarn Island.
 
Look at the people on Pitcarn Island.
Oh I have, not many of them left.

But since you mentioned it I thought I'd check. 1937 peak population of 233 to a 2004 population of 47.
There is also evidence of a failed Polynesian civilisation on the island between Eleventh and Fifteenth centuries CE.

But the 10000 is a fairly arbitrary figure based on historical precedents. It is probably more worthwhile looking at Tom's final figure for 2300/2600 of a million, generally savage and lacking "civilisation".

If a million are alive at the time of the campaign then quite probably the population has been relatively stable. Any growth will be found in "safe" areas that have agriculture and civil structures.
 
Well, Population Density is much more of an important statistic, then population size.

The size of the population is largely irrelavent if that population is unable To get together and reproduce. No reproduction(or not enough) is certain extinction.

Beyond this other factors like decrease life expectancy and much higher infant mortality rate, well mean any survivors will face a largely insurmontable rate of child birth with a small population.

I think a more likely senario is that 600,00 people survive and after years of struggle and toil the population has slowly started to climb. This would bring a Kind of Renaissance to the survivors as they are now able to sacrifice more individuals to go out and explore the World around them.

Just my ideas.

-Remoh
 
Well, Population Density is much more of an important statistic, then population size.
Agreed, a single society of 10000 will thrive better than 100 communities of 100 spread across the globe. This is why a higher figure is more sensible.
 
Originally posted by Border Reiver:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Look at the people on Pitcarn Island.
Oh I have, not many of them left.

But since you mentioned it I thought I'd check. 1937 peak population of 233 to a 2004 population of 47.
</font>[/QUOTE]Did a little digging on the BBC news website.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3112636.stm

“Pitcairn Island, halfway between New Zealand and Peru, says the birth of a child last Sunday is the first on the island for 17 years and brings the island's population to a total of 48.”

and

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3725672.stm

“Radio New Zealand said tractor driver Dave Brown, 49, admitted three charges of indecent assault against girls but denied 12 more child sex charges.
It followed the guilty plea of colony postmaster Dennis Christian, 49, to sexually assaulting a 12-year-old girl and two further undisclosed charges.
Seven men face a total of 55 charges of sex offences on the remote island.”


A tiny little society collapsing in on itself. That's what those handfull of settlements of 100 each would look like.

But hey, if you want to game there, go right ahead.
 
I think a 2300 with a number of societies populating it would be more interesting than just one. Also I have a question. Would you want the Twilight War to be set in the 1990s, or maybe I might move it up later to 2070 AD instead.

If the war takes place in the 1990s then we have the same old Twilight 2000 technology only 300 years old. If the war were to take place in 2070, then we have some higher technology to deal with and more possibilities. In another thread I did a Solar System, basically according to my timeline Humanity has spread out into the Solar System, colonizing L4, L5, the Moon, Mars, the Asteroids, Mercury, and Low orbit around Venus. the Final War and the plague also have an effect on space, but the Solar System is very large and their are places in the Belt that were not effected. I think I stated that there was a population of 1 million on Mars or something like that, something similar on the Moon Most of the people lived on Earth though at the time of the Final War. Unless a space colony learned to be entirely self-sufficient, even if it survived the war and the plague, it either had to produce everything it needed to keep on going, or it had to abandon the colony and head to Earth, or they perished when their life support broke down, or they ran out of food and oxygen. Mars survived to some extent, humans lived under domes in rather closed cities under oppressive governments, the key thing about them is that stability was considered more important that freedom due to the harsh conditions of staying alive on Mars, their tech level can be considered to be late TL8 on the traveller scale, they have fusion reactors, for a time they couldn't maintian their spaceships and were stuck on the surface of Mars, but later on as the population grew, they managed to expand their Mars settlements and industry up to the point where they are just now making new spaceships that can reach Earth. One main problem was getting the spaceships to return to Mars afterwards. Martian societies are very closed and oppressive though, although they don't now need to be, their governments remain autocratic and oppressive because those in power want to preserve their power structures that keep them their. The Martians can be brought in whenever the campaign is ready for them.
 
If this is your interest I can't recommend Jared Diamond's "Collapse" highly enough. It details several civilisations from Easter Island to Vinland to Montana and how, and why, societies succeed and fail. It's absolutely fascinating. "collapse" by Jared Diamond
 
Ok, sounds interesting. Easter Island failed due to depletion of resources. I'm not sure that's the scenario I want for Twilight 2300, mostly because that will result in a barren planet, and in the aftermath only tinly little creatures to deal with. The story behind this setting is that most of humanity mysteriously dies, even in space, probably due to a virus or plague that was specifically targeted to humans, but otherwise leaves the rest of the biosphere alone. Nature fills in the vacuum and their are a few surviving humans to witness it all.
 
How can a dead person catch a disease? Does this plague also infect skeletons too? How about mummies, ghouls, wraiths, ghosts, and vampires?
 
"Y-the last man" comic books & "The children of Man" movie and book might be a good source of ideas. Also the 'jeremiah' rpg.
 
Or for an odd twist on this, use The Day of the Triffids. The book or the BBC miniseries, not the 50s Hollywood movie.
 
So are they really zombies in the D&D sense of the word? I think if not then they have vital organs, if you stab them in the heart then they eventually cease to move, if you chop off their heads ditto. if you wound them severly they bleed to death. Perhaps a better idea would be robots that use human body parts.

The question remains, why would someone want to build a robot that was made of meat and bone?
 
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