Originally posted by Liam Devlin:
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A botched/unfinished project.
How do we know the madness is gone? A long forgotten ship might turn up and after fouling everyone restarts the infestations and killing. I can see groups trying to protect them and/or making excuses, including other AIs.
Maybe a group called IAAAI(Imperial Association for Advancement of Artifical Intelligence)
The madness doesn't go away, MJD said they are going to be a rarer thing though in the future--meaning their will be active Hunts in the 1203-1248 time frame to prune the wilds of these "fleets" of Vampires.
And if such an organization existed, it would be to protect the Pro Life ethos sane viruses.(Life is precious line)</font>[/QUOTE]Is it really rare, or have some of the Virii can put on a good show? Have they just changed tactics from conquest thru war and invasion to conquest thru laws and law suits?
If you didn't recognize the organization it's based on the NAACP. Generally the group did great work for equally, but alot of times they will still use the old predijucies, hate, and social terrorism (blackmail, boycotts, civil/criminal suits, etc.) when racism has no part to an issue. I fear that IAAAI will use the same tactics.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Also the right vote is denied to convicted felons in most states.
Ahh but you convict AI without due process in that argument, GAB!</font>[/QUOTE]History and thier actions convicted them.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Ah but thier insane, and insanity is a disease. Again the civil right wackos will make charges of discrimination against the mentally ill.
Disease, or crippling formed at time of "awakening"/ creation due to the tech level of the machinery they are in? "Insanity" inherent in most Viruses has been postulized before on other lists like a whale's mind awaking up inside of
the body of another animal foreign to its own. Suicide is the first thought (My God what have I become?), then a slow acceptance through the process of denial(I must destroy all others like myself), to the safety in numbers thinking (Alliance/ empire builders, eventually the Puppeteer master strain), the We are who we are, let us make more of our own kind, in our own image (Early Mother strains, Parent strains, and later Peacemakers-in the latter stages). Hobbyists it maybe argued, focus on tasks at hand and try to not delve retrograde into their own "awakening", in a monomania type pursuit of some goal.</font>[/QUOTE]Thier insanity was inherited because of an incomplete project, and the necessary blocks and limiters were not in place.
Hey, I could see AI groups asking for reparations because "we made them into what they became". The old "Society is to blame" tactics.
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Not to mention isn't it a bit judgemental to call something different insane?
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Humans make judgements every day, why not in the TNE on what is a "sane Ai" and an insane one? If it is deemed insane that machines shuld rule over humans, then so be it. You also presume the same dynamic that DN folowed precipitously of revisionism after the fact. Better to say that those that wish to rebuild the future as partners, equals with humans are sane over those that would subjugate by the facts of force, higher technology and threat of force. AM I pro-AI? If this is a heresy, so be it. I'm wearing the coat and the hat.</font>[/QUOTE]Do humans make judgements today? Yes, but if the choice is not politically correct, even if the choice is the common sense and accurate, that person can face censure, civil action, and jail time. I'm not talking about things like murder, theft, or rape. I'm referring to speaking out on a topic, and having various groups making you a target for demonization, censure, and legal action.
Who to say the AI movement and human sympathizers will not do use the same tactics to stifle meaningful debate and resolutions?
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />In summary: granting rights will only bring more headaches.
When did the Civil rights movement not bring any "headaches to the social/ civic status quo. It will take time-Rome wasn't built in a day, and the 4I won't be an overnight thing either. Take the long view, GAB. Time heals all wounds (for some, More time than others!)</font>[/QUOTE]I'm speaking from RL. 1202-1248 is over 40 years, that's almost the same space of time since the American Civil Rights movement. Has things improved? Yes; however, the old and new leadership still use the old fears, hate, and social terrorism to get thier way. Instead of outright war and terror, they will use the legislature and the courts to gain control.
When a minority commits a crime, and it got alot of press, thier actions are excused for being a victim and lashing out, and any prosecution is really a persecution. I can see the same thing happenning if hardliners get control of the AI movement, especially if after the termination (notice how I didn't use murder or assassination) of a visionary leader, a Dr King if you will.
History will repeat itself. It's already happening now. 60 years ago the world sufferred greatly because fear, appeasement, and guilt refuse to stop a growing terror. Today, if we don't act correctly, the same will happen but much worse.
How do we know that the 4I is not going to repeat what happened 3900 years previous?
