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What am I missing here?

Yes, it's quite long, but please stay with me.

I fully admit that when it comes to any politics, drama or etc. related to the Traveller franchise in all of its many forms I am very behind the times. Until about 2 months ago, I hadn't been exposed to anything Traveller for almost 3 decades and played my last paper/dice RPG almost as long ago. I have read-up on the GDW saga, the infamous "handshake", the various and dubious licensing methods that have emerged, (for better or worse), and all kinds of other 3 letter abbreviations that have led the game known as Traveller to where it is now. Anything Traveller-related that is presently for sale as a PDF, I have probably purchased and read. I have tried to assimilate all the 30-years of published Traveller history I could grok in 2 months, I am a crazy fool like that, understanding is everything.

I prefer PDF files, so I was planning on waiting for Mongoose to release the PDF of the latest Traveller incarnation, but today I figured I'd just scratch that itch right now, and drop by my local hobby shop to buy a dead tree version. The shop I visited was the very same one that has been there since I was a lad. The same grouchy fellow I knew from way back in my youth was actually still there, and looking no less exactly like the comic book store owner from the Simpsons cartoon.

"Sorry, we stopped selling anything made by Mongoose a couple years ago. You can try the comic shop on 3rd street downtown, they handle a lot of RPG items we won't."

After locating the address I am quickly off to this downtown comic shop in anticipation of acquiring my scratch, only to be thwarted by another store clerk with a similar message.

"Nope, no Mongoose stuff. We might have some old stuff of theirs still in the back, but we don't carry their books anymore."

The comic store clerk advises I check the big chain music/DVD/bookstore across town, "They sell games there.." he mentions. I already know where this chain store is, as I think to myself, why hadn't I thought of that first?

It didn't take long to locate an entire aisle of various RPG books, board games, dice, and what-not at the big chain bookstore, what was oddly missing however, was any single title from Mongoose.. After a quick stop at the store's information desk, I had another answer, but not the one I was looking for.

"I can probably order that for you, let's check the computer... hmmm. No.. wait... That's strange, I can see the publisher, but when I try to pull-up titles there aren't any, which means I can't order anything from that publisher. Do you have an ISBN?"

I smile, because I DO have an ISBN number and I hand it to her.

"Sorry, I cannot seem to find it, are you sure that is the correct number?"

Embracing defeat, I leave the store already knowing the ISBN I have is correct, and later, I am able to use it to order MGT online from a vendor who had it in stock, I should have it in 2-3 days.

Still with me? Good. ;)

My question is: What the **** am I missing here? Did Mongoose pee in someone's cereal? Did I miss reading some critical PDF or web-based material? I am left with that strange feeling like I am that naive guy, the only one at the party that doesn't have a clue his present girlfriend is sleeping with everyone else in the room.
 
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Mongoose sadly had a couple of problems with the quality of their books
(binding coming off, etc.) until not so long ago, many books had to be
sent back / replaced, and some shops obviously dislike the risk to have
to do such additional work.
At least that would be my explanation ... :)
 
My question is: What the **** am I missing here? Did Mongoose pee in someone's cereal? Did I miss reading some critical PDF or web-based material? I am left with that strange feeling like I am that naive guy, the only one at the party that doesn't have a clue his present girlfriend is sleeping with everyone else in the room.

Drop me a line at msprange@mongoosepublishing.com with the two store's names and contact details, and we will see what we can do with them!
 
Rust has it right. The reason for the issues was that Mongoose tried to change over to in-house printing. They bought their own printer and fought a loosing battle against binding and cover issues. Unfortunately there was a noticeable drop in quality that has put off customers and some retailers.

They have now switched back to using external printers. There should be an immediate increase in quality. Whether this is enough to convince your local stores or not, Traveller and future Mongoose releases should all be fine.
 
There is another issue:

Mongoose's lines are all niche markets (within an industry that is a niche market itself): Conan is the most mainstream. Bab5 is pretty large; Paranoia, Judge Dredd, Starship Troopers, and Runequest are well known bit players, and the rest of their lines are practically unheard of. If your local games stores' owners are not fans of any of these, it is far less likely they would carry them.

There is also the whole d20 bubble issue. Loads of d20 supplements and games were released that were total crap. Lots of retailers got stuck with a lot of rather unsalable product by "non-major companies"... and mongoose, while strong and growing, is still not a "major" company... and many of the surviving stores dropped the lesser companies as a matter of course.

So it really is no surprise to me that your LGS doesn't carry them.
 
My copy arrived today. Much credit is due to the people at Noble Knight games for having it in stock and getting it here today when I only ordered it last Thursday. The book came packaged very well-protected, and with no extra shipping charges to get it here in just 5 days.

However, IMHO, I should have just waited for the PDF version. For the $40 US retail price for this book, I am more than just slightly, shall we say, underwhelmed.

Thanks to all who replied!
 
The fan responses to the PDF's is similar.

The lack of correction/update to the RQ rules is telling.
 
Having been treated like dirt on their forums i don't have anything good to say about Mongoose publishing other than i no longer have any of your publications and i wont be buying ANY in the future.
 
Having been treated like dirt on their forums i don't have anything good to say about Mongoose publishing other than i no longer have any of your publications and i wont be buying ANY in the future.

I am curious, if you hate Mongoose so bad why do you even come to this section? Why do you read posts about them?

If I had the anger and hate you say you do, I would never even open this section. I would act like it was not there.

So what drives you to still come and post here?

I am very interested to hear your thoughts.

Daniel
 
I am curious, if you hate Mongoose so bad why do you even come to this section? Why do you read posts about them?

If I had the anger and hate you say you do, I would never even open this section. I would act like it was not there.

So what drives you to still come and post here?

I am very interested to hear your thoughts.

Daniel

Moderator Mode:

This line of discussion is not appropriate to this section of the boards; it belongs in random static if anywhere, per Hunter's prior statements.

Infractions have been issued.
 
Having been treated like dirt on their forums i don't have anything good to say about Mongoose publishing other than i no longer have any of your publications and i wont be buying ANY in the future.

We wouldn't sell them to you - as is our right.

You were banned from our forums (yet again, didn't get the message the first time) because you started picking fights. Again. Just as you did on RPG.net.

If you can behave yourself, you wopuld be welcomed back. If you can't, I am afraid you are not wanted. Our forums are not your personal stomping ground for insulting people.
 
Moderator Mode:

This line of discussion is not appropriate to this section of the boards; it belongs in random static if anywhere, per Hunter's prior statements.

Infractions have been issued.

I am sorry for what ever I have done to earn this warning. I will try and gain a better understanding of the rules regarding appropriate language so I will not violate them again.

Daniel
 
To reiterate what Hunter said a month ago:

The COTI mongoose traveller sub-forum is not a place to discuss Mongoose's web boards.

A general board rule here is that attacks on others are not permitted. Attacks includes unsubstantiated derogatory comments.
 
On a positive note, as well as my luvverly Traveller book I got a replacement copy of Deluxe MRQ this week. Say what you like, Mongoose has excellent customer service. All you have to do is ask (I dropped a line to Matt) and they get on the case. :)

Much better than moaning about them on public forums when they actually seem to care about the gaming community. (I know big change in direction for me who was so worried when the Stellar Reaches debacle occurred)
 
I just got my copy of the Traveller core book and knowing about the previous issues, I looked over it with my TL 12 scanner... came out clean ;)

The book quality looks great and so does the content, but I'll expand on that elsewhere... ;)
 
I went to my local gaming store yesterday to pick up the new core book and they were sold out. I was told that they sold out in two days, and are expecting a new shipment later this week, based on sales in New York City it looks good for the new system.
 
Death of the gaming store

The only non computer orientated game shop in my area has very little RPG materials. Magic is probably the one game that consumes the most space. Collector card games, comics and anime movies take up a big portion of the space. The remaining space is a sampling of various boardgames, tabletop war games and miniatures, dolls (like luke skywalker), and the 1 bookcase with RPG stuff. "I can order whatever you need" the man behind the counter said. One game I asked about he didn't even know existed and the other he said was not available yet. "Sorry Mr, but I'd rather save 6$ in gas money and buy online than order with you." Magic and the WoW collector card game are predominant at the tables of the gaming area where I'm not aware of any RPG other than D&D. Hmm, I don't even recall seeing dice for sale. Back in the day, I remember a wide variety of different sized dice each in a variety of colors in large plastic bins at the counter. Drool would come from the corner of my mouth as if I was in a candies store. "Video Killed the Radio Star" and video games killed the gaming store.
 
No, CosmicGamer, videogames greu up with RPG's. (1974 vs 1976.) Pretty much different markets, with significant overlap, but survivable co-markets.

MTG, however, took a big chunk, as did the late 80's recession, and the mid 90's correction. D20 did quite a load of damage, too... by making retailers shy away from many "unknown" games, since a lot of D20 stuff was utter crap.

The industry is resilient. Brick and Mortar stores are not, however. I have, in a metropolitan are of 400,000 people, 4 games stores: 2 Bosco's (www.boscos.com), 1 Hobbycraft (of 3, the others don't), and a CCG-only shop (Paper Tigers). Of these, Hobbycraft has but one case of RPG, Paper Tigers none. Hobbycraft has 1/7th of their shelves devoted to wargames and boardgames. Boscos has 1/10th RPG's, 1/10th Boardgames, 1/5th Warhammer, 1/5th Sportscards, 1/10th anime, 3/10ths Comics...

All the dedicated games-only stores died or converted to CCG's, and then died.

CCG's are available at WalMart and KMart. CCG's target ages 8+. CCG's require little shelf space for the value. CCG's require little committed time. CCG's generate repeat customers with little to no staff knowledge.

RPG's are available in Borders and B&N, target generally ages 14+, require significant shelf space for decent coverage, require some staff knowledge, and provide fewer sell points per customer. RPG's also require extensive time commitments.

The market forces are killing the game stores. Not videogames. (MMORPG's could be seen as a major blight, however, as many of my favorite gamers have given up their social lives entirely for MMORPG's.)
 
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