Yacht errata

[Matt123]

This may be an issue with my reading of the Book 2 text. CT Errata and CT ship designer, both basically agree, but I assume the Yacht's carried ATV is permanently garaged in the Ships boat.

This means my version of the design has 23 ton spare for cargo space, verses CT Errata with 13 ton for cargo space.

Should there be space in the hull? I don't read it that way, but then I could just be out of step. Is this errata worthy?

 

[jeffepp]

OK, this may be cheating, but I am looking at the recent MgT supplement. It treats the ATV as an option, that can be exchanged for cargo space (or what ever you want to do with it space). But, it really doesn't matter where you store it, as much as it takes up storage. So, I would say you only gain the storage space if you go without the ATV, altogether.

 

[Selandia]

You can store crate instead of ATV in the yacht hold
You can store crate instead of ATV in the ship's boat's hold

what you cannot do is use the boat's hold for the atv AND use it to ferry ship- ground- and back supplies at the same time. (although you may stuff the ATV with some cargo)

have fun

Selandia

 

[Matt123]

So I guess it is six of one, half a dozen of the other. If the ATV can be garaged in either space, the space it is not occupying can be used for cargo or what have you anyway.

Ta for the feedback, I'll go with me being out of step/too pedantic and put a garage in the ship hull.

Cheers!

 

[Jame]

I just built a streamlined yacht which had neither a ship's boat or an ATV.

Both of those features seemed unnecessary to me.

 

[Hyphen]

I just built a streamlined yacht which had neither a ship's boat or an ATV.

Both of those features seemed unnecessary to me.

Yes and no. The cost to you is an additional MCr2 for the streamlining (Bk 2 p 15). It also means that if you want to move around on a world you need to hire local transport. You also cannot be in 2 places at once in orbit. And you have to lift your entire ship (which may be being restocked or undergoing maintenance) to travel anywhere.

There's a good reason why many Winnebago caravaners (sp?) tow a second vehicle behind their vans. But as always, YMMV. ;-)

 

[Travellerspud]

imagine trying to find a spot to park your spaceship at the local supermarket...or bar...or.....

 

[samuelvss]

Yes and no. The cost to you is an additional MCr2 for the streamlining (Bk 2 p 15). It also means that if you want to move around on a world you need to hire local transport. You also cannot be in 2 places at once in orbit. And you have to lift your entire ship (which may be being restocked or undergoing maintenance) to travel anywhere.

There's a good reason why many Winnebago caravaners (sp?) tow a second vehicle behind their vans. But as always, YMMV. ;-)

I agree, but the ATV never seemed like a great transport option: It IS the Winnebago.

Ship's boat: great. A speeder, enclosed Air/Raft, or even a ground car all could be fit in open cargo of the Ship's boat. But make the ship streamlined, anyway....

ATV's make sense as a bargain world exploration/basing transport (much cheaper than a G-Carrier in the CT 'verse), but not exactly general purpose transport of first resort. I always completely ignored them on the Type C as well!

 

[Jame]

I agree, but the ATV never seemed like a great transport option: It IS the Winnebago.

Ship's boat: great. A speeder, enclosed Air/Raft, or even a ground car all could be fit in open cargo of the Ship's boat. But make the ship streamlined, anyway....

I should point out that in my yacht I kept the speeder as the . Of course, my version of the speeder is a fast, enclosed, 5-passenger version of the air/raft (which itself enclosed). Which made more sense to me than it being a two-seater engine as portrayed in the book.

The yacht being unable to be in two orbital places at once - well, what self-respecting noble doesn't make the underlings come to her?

ATV's make sense as a bargain world exploration/basing transport (much cheaper than a G-Carrier in the CT 'verse), but not exactly general purpose transport of first resort. I always completely ignored them on the Type C as well!

I always preferred the G-Carrier for the Type C - it's more mobile and faster, and I doubt most military organizations (which includes mercs) would want to deal with the situations where it isn't useful, since the situations would likely preclude most other forms of transportation anyway for whatever reason.

 

[Jame]

Here is the yacht design I came up with a while ago:

http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=3866&highlight=yacht

 

[samuelvss]

Jame,
I like it, but.... I miss the ship's boat.

As has been said, really a tricked out far trader is more in line with the "noble's plaything." All kinds of stuff, including small craft, can go in the cargo bay.

 

[kilemall]

I just built a streamlined yacht which had neither a ship's boat or an ATV.

Both of those features seemed unnecessary to me.

The ATV is one thing, but the ship's boat is absolutely an essential piece of kit for the Y.

Its there to provide a 6-G getaway from pirates and enemies.

Consider that the yacht can easily have owner and/or passengers worth more then the ship itself.

Putting 5-6G on the ship itself is going to cost precious space, so this is a economical way to get back to the country club in time to recount the harrowing encounter with those ruffians.

Better pack some sandcasters, antimissile and ECM processors.

 

[Jame]

I may design a 6-G version of the streamlined yacht. A noble may want less cargo!

 

[kilemall]

I may design a 6-G version of the streamlined yacht. A noble may want less cargo!

Another noble big bucks solution not available generally to the hoi polloi free trader on a budget would be nuke missiles.

Build one of those missile supplement missiles, with a 30 hit warhead, full evasion against antimissile, smart so it ignores ECM, and one multimillion credit shot can waste that 800 ton pirate.

 

[Jame]

Another noble big bucks solution not available generally to the hoi polloi free trader on a budget would be nuke missiles.

Build one of those missile supplement missiles, with a 30 hit warhead, full evasion against antimissile, smart so it ignores ECM, and one multimillion credit shot can waste that 800 ton pirate.

I do have a J-2, 5-G and J-2, 6G yacht that I need to post. Both are streamlined due to space requirements - the plant and maneuver drives take up more space than a ship's boat would require and I deliberately left room for cargo (it does have either an air/raft or speeder for mobility and I would also say that there are 4- and 6-ton wheeled jeeps).

 

[Jame]

Here is the topic, which I have put in The Fleet. http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=34538