All Things Vargr

[Condottiere]

vargr

Old Norse

Alternative forms
Vargʀ – East Norse

Etymology
From Proto-Germanic *wargaz, from Proto-Indo-European *werǵʰ-. Compare Old English wearh, wearg.

Noun
vargr m

1. wolf
2. evildoer
3. destroyer


Evildoing destroyer wolf.

 

[Condottiere]

Santa Claws is coming to Trin.

 

[Condottiere]

Vargr: Going a-Vargring

1. What makes a Vargr go a-Vargring?

2. I think you could narrow it down to three things.

3. Environment - the Vargr chose poorly, colonizing resource poor worlds.

4. Culture - your father was a Vargr, his father was a Vargr, and his father was a Vargr.

5. Genetics - it's just in their blood.

6. They could be very bad resource managers, using them up, and not attempting to balance it off with a sustainable economy.

7. They could be raping their environments, making them unlivable.

8. Extensive civil wars, achieving about the same results.

9. Population bombs.

 

[Spinward Flow]

1. What makes a Vargr go a-Vargring?

 

[Condottiere]

Vargr: Going a-Vargring

A. Fight or flight.

B. They either run away from a problem, or solve it with violence.

C. Or, they find a common enemy.

D. So communications is not necessarily a well developed skill, at least in it's nuances.

E. Negotiation might involve a pay off of some kind, or a distraction.

F. The pay off might be tribute, rather than direct submission; the trick would be not to be so demanding, that the other side decides you're asking for too much.

 

[mike wightman]

Have you ever stopped to think about just how much of charted space is Vargr territory? Check out the size of the Vargr Extents...

 

[Condottiere]

Yes.

And yet, every time their refrigerator dies, they gather their crew and raid the Imperium for a replacement.

 

[Condottiere]

It's also an interesting question what exactly the Vargr industrial base is capable of, or if it ever managed to scale up.

I've don't recall them fielding any large starwarship, and I believe the Zhodani have donated a couple of old cruisers.

 

[BackworldTraveller]

It's also an interesting question what exactly the Vargr industrial base is capable of, or if it ever managed to scale up.

I've don't recall them fielding any large starwarship, and I believe the Zhodani have donated a couple of old cruisers.

From the wiki, and from the Fifth Frontier War game counter set, the polities are capable of operating large warships - they may not all be built by the Vargr (or that Vargr polity) but they definitely operate them. Some of those polities are both large and old.

 

[Condottiere]

It's expand or die; sometimes, expand and die.

Also, that raiding tendency works better against weaker opponents than the Imperium, and time and distance would tend to towards your immediate neighbours, not a six month trek across the sector.

 

[Condottiere]

I'm not particularly enthused about the series, but as I was watching it, I thought that's how Vargr behave.

Not so much Alexander the Great Dane, but William the Basset Hound.

 

[Carlobrand]

Vargr: Military Packs
...
As I recall, it's supposedly between twenty five and forty individuals, which seems suspiciously platoon sized. ...

Coincidentally, we have about 25 dogs here at home. Long story involving living on a large plot in the country and way too many idiots driving out here to abandon their troublesome pets to the countryiside rather than take them to the pound and likely euthanization. I'm not sure why they think that's better: we only manage to save a few. A lot of them get picked up by the pound or hit by cars or get preyed on. We've got 7 smalls including a couple of chihuahuas who act as much like a herd as a pack, sticking together; four from the same litter tend to have each others' back, but the two chihuahuas from the same litter argue like an old couple. We've got 9 big-uns who've formed a pack of sorts: head dog likes to sit at the top of the hill surveying his demesne, comes down to yell at the neighbor dogs when they wander up and down the street, otherwise doesn't interact much but they follow his lead; his lieutenant tends to stay close to him and frankly is a bit of a bully with some of the others; our "Mr. Policeman" mostly keeps to his own unless a pair start fighting and then he charges in and breaks them up; an old dame who plays with them a bit and barks at the fence with them but mostly takes things easy; a mom-and-two-offspring trio (we hadn't realized she was pregnant when we found her) who play and tussle with each other and the rest but if anybody goes after one the other two will charge in to the rescue; our other lady likes to go outside and play and bark with the pack but prefers to be inside with the smalls because she's adopted them as her puppies and they like to lay around her for naps. Our newest, not quite a year, is some sort of Great Pyrenees mix, big and white and fluffy, came to us from a shelter after a friend there called us begging us to take him because they were going to put him down for aggression, but the friend was convinced he was friendly and could be salvaged. Turned out his thing was feet: when he got scared or angry, he'd attack your feet - and only your feet. Best guess, the previous owners thought it was cute to tease him with their feet and what was cute as a puppy became a problem when he got big. Wasn't all that aggressive - he never put enough power into it to get through my leather shoes and he didn't much like

 

[Carlobrand]

getting squirted in the face by a squirt gun so stops right away if squirted, and then one day he tried it when "Mr. Policeman" was in the house and the dog body slammed him and rolled him, and he hasn't done it since. He likes to play with the trio and act all gruff, but when the lieutenant chases him he runs away crying - which given his large size is and odd sight.

 

[Condottiere]

Instinctively, Vargr will want to congregate, but you'd assume that there would some form(s) of cohesion to lubricate interaction.

So, if you have twenty five abandoned Vargr, likely strangers to each other, trying to assimilate with each other, sorting out the pecking order has the potential to become fatal.

 

[Carlobrand]

Instinctively, Vargr will want to congregate, but you'd assume that there would some form(s) of cohesion to lubricate interaction.

So, if you have twenty five abandoned Vargr, likely strangers to each other, trying to assimilate with each other, sorting out the pecking order has the potential to become fatal.

Possibly, most likely depends on the circumstances of the abandonment and the natures of the specific Vargr. I expect they're pretty aggressive - they probably fight as easily as we monkeyfolk yell, and it's probably over just as quickly - but they've got large social groups, so clearly over the millenia they've developed nonfatal ways to sort things out. Groups might war with groups, but it's possible they've developed a taboo of sorts over using weapons in routine disagreements or interpersonal status disputes.

 

[Condottiere]

Dogma, in its broadest sense, is any belief held definitively and without the possibility of reform. It may be in the form of an official system of principles or doctrines of a religion, such as Judaism, Roman Catholicism, Protestantism,[1] or Islam, the positions of a philosopher or philosophical school, such as Stoicism, and political belief systems such as fascism, socialism, progressivism, liberalism, and conservatism.[2][3]

In the pejorative sense, dogma refers to enforced decisions, such as those of aggressive political interests or authorities.[4][5] More generally, it is applied to some strong belief that its adherents are not willing to discuss rationally. This attitude is named as a dogmatic one, or dogmatism, and is often used to refer to matters related to religion, though this pejorative sense strays far from the formal sense in which it is applied to religious belief. The pejorative sense is not limited to theistic attitudes alone and is often used with respect to political or philosophical dogmas.

 

[Condottiere]

Cacaoaine.

 

[whulorigan]

Cacaoaine.

Dogma, in its broadest sense, is any belief held definitively and without the possibility of reform. It may be in the form of an official system of principles or doctrines of a religion, such as Judaism, Roman Catholicism, Protestantism,[1] or Islam, the positions of a philosopher or philosophical school, such as Stoicism, and political belief systems such as fascism, socialism, progressivism, liberalism, and conservatism.[2][3]

In the pejorative sense, dogma refers to enforced decisions, such as those of aggressive political interests or authorities.[4][5] More generally, it is applied to some strong belief that its adherents are not willing to discuss rationally. This attitude is named as a dogmatic one, or dogmatism, and is often used to refer to matters related to religion, though this pejorative sense strays far from the formal sense in which it is applied to religious belief. The pejorative sense is not limited to theistic attitudes alone and is often used with respect to political or philosophical dogmas.

PACKS VARGRANA

Someone needs to keep you on short leash . . .

 

[Condottiere]

 

[Carlobrand]

Dogma, in its broadest sense, is any belief held definitively and without the possibility of reform. It may be in the form of an official system of principles or doctrines of a religion, such as Judaism, Roman Catholicism, Protestantism,[1] or Islam, the positions of a philosopher or philosophical school, such as Stoicism, and political belief systems such as fascism, socialism, progressivism, liberalism, and conservatism.[2][3]

In the pejorative sense, dogma refers to enforced decisions, such as those of aggressive political interests or authorities.[4][5] More generally, it is applied to some strong belief that its adherents are not willing to discuss rationally. This attitude is named as a dogmatic one, or dogmatism, and is often used to refer to matters related to religion, though this pejorative sense strays far from the formal sense in which it is applied to religious belief. The pejorative sense is not limited to theistic attitudes alone and is often used with respect to political or philosophical dogmas.

As opposed to Catma, which I understand is an Aslan philosophy centering around embracing pride pride.