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Arming civilian ships

I don't think there's enough loose ships lying around nor enough "anonymous" inhabited worlds with no questions asked berthing policies for the pirates to hide at.

While I agree with the planets (though there are undefined outposts where laws can be quite loose), the question about the number of ships in 2300AD universe is quite controversial (quite discussed in this thread).

In any case, see that in the GDW 2300AD Directors Guide description of the Anjou class (page 74) it is told there have been built nearly 600, and that's only a single class..
 
Hoping it won't be seen as necro-posting, but I agree that armed civilian vessels don't really belong in the 2300AD setting.

For one thing, while piracy is possible (as it remains today), most illegal shipping activity will be contraband and smuggling illicit products, not hit and run attacks on ships. Modern pirates (like the Somali) either rely on ransom payments or on lawless areas where the sized ships' cargo can be sold and return to the world market somehow. In the 2300AD world, that would require, IMHO, something like a whole colony going rogue - and yet, being left to its own devices. Considering the level of social, financial and military investment required, I do not see such a colony ever being allowed to form and prosper, be that by the original colonial powers or by said colony's neighbors. Possibly one could have such colony operate temporarily but mostly as a front for another nation-state wanting to benefit from the sweet trade without directly commandeering corsairs through Lettres de Marque. Is it worth it though? Not so sure.

Mostly 2300AD is a universe of nation-states, which still claim to have a monopoly on organized violence like our current governments. France can be a hemispheric, space-faring nation, its power still comes from its ability to enforce French law and defend French interests, both things that are better done by French officials and French ships than by adopting some kind of "space Darwinism" to see if traders can compete with pirates.

One big evolution though, comes with the Trilon corporation, which has become both an economic and a geopolitical entity. As such, Trilon trading ships are probably a mix between a warship and a freighter (unless Trilon operates along a strict separation of trading ships and "sovereignty" ships).

In piracy, a lots depends on the size of the ship and the cargo. A very large crude carrier pirated near Somalia is pretty much going for ransom, not the selling of cargo. A small coastal tanker in the Indonesian Archipelago carrying refined oil products is a totally different story. There, offloading it into oil barges for sale to the shore or other ships is quite a viable proposition. Likewise a small coastal trader loaded with sacks of rice has a readily marketable commodity. During the Golden Age of Piracy in the Caribbean, rarely did the pirates capture a large quantity of bullion. The normal payoff was in foodstuffs like sugar and cocoa and wine, or logwood for dyeing, or textiles being sent to or from Spain. Material that could be fenced to a dealer ashore who did not ask any questions.
 
2300 tech and milieu just doesn't seem pirate friendly.


I would think French Arm freighters would be armed in a WWI/WWII convoy ethos, otherwise mostly Q-ships that are just masquerading as civilian ships and so are on a defense budget and design/modification anyway.


Another reason is the vast multi-AU range of 2300 gravitic sensors. Coupled with the radiation dump nodal system requirement, just not a lot of sneaking around, more fooling people into thinking the pirate is a safe friendly until proved otherwise.


The other way to go is small craft pirates. Short range better shut off your stutterwarp or we will shoot your drive off and take the ship the hard way pirates. But again, super sensors and how are you going to fence the goods?
 
Also, in-space piracy seems way too complicated and expensive. One has to get a ship (a 1MLv investment more or less), a crew trained in both combat and space operations (that means specialists expecting a nice and regular paycheck, not desperate Somali fishermen with assault rifles), and a discreet safe harbor to either hold the hostages or sell the captured goods. Seems to me it's cheaper and easier to hijack ships when they are docked somewhere than trying to intercept and capture them underway. And if it's ransom the pirates are after, it's way simpler to kidnap people on the ground, like Mexican cartels currently do. If there's some space piracy in 2300AD, it feels to me that it must be exceptional, one-time heists conducted by a daring gang, not a way of life.
 
To me, it's telling that on Earth nowadays, one of the main ways civilian ships deal with pirates now is locking their doors:
Pirates in real life have largely been defeated by locked doors. Seriously. That's what most civilian ships have gone and done, installed a reinforced citadel area for the crew to hide inside.
I mean when you think on it, adding offensive weapons to ordinary civilians is kind of crazy. The missiles and laser cannons most civilian ships in most Traveller settings can be armed with could be easily used to say take a spacestation they're docked at, hostage.

I would imagine it's probably easier to excuse civilians having some form of defensive armament like countermeasures than say missiles or lasers.
 
To me, it's telling that on Earth nowadays, one of the main ways civilian ships deal with pirates now is locking their doors:

I mean when you think on it, adding offensive weapons to ordinary civilians is kind of crazy. The missiles and laser cannons most civilian ships in most Traveller settings can be armed with could be easily used to say take a spacestation they're docked at, hostage.

I would imagine it's probably easier to excuse civilians having some form of defensive armament like countermeasures than say missiles or lasers.

Modern pirates are guys in dinghies with AK-47s. Not converted ships armed with lasers.

It's all a matter of the threat level.

Defensive measures only work if the ship can get away. Lasers a "free to use", with "unlimited ammo". Under the right circumstances, a pirate can close and keep shooting until he gets a lucky shot, the target runs out of sand, or they get close enough to overwhelm things like electronic countermeasures.

They may well work to keep a pirate off for the short run to 100D, but not necessarily for a longer trip.
 
They may well work to keep a pirate off for the short run to 100D, but not necessarily for a longer trip.


Keep in mind that this is the 2300AD forum, so 100D is not an issue - they will continue to maneuver as long as they have stutterwarp capability.
 
Modern pirates work under time pressure and under the radar.

Modern civilian ships don't arm themselves due to potential liability, insurance, and governments that tend to view them with suspicion.
 
India firearms charge ex-soldiers sent to jail
Published11 January 2016

Six former soldiers from the UK who worked on an anti-piracy ship have each been sentenced to five years in prison in India.

They were arrested on firearms charges in October 2013 when the ship they were on was found to be full of weapons.

The charges were dropped, but the Indian authorities appealed against the decision and have now won their case.

All 35 sailors and guards on the boat received five-year sentences and were ordered to pay 3,000 rupees (£30).

The British men sentenced are:

Nick Dunn, from Ashington, Northumberland
Billy Irving, from Connel, Argyll
Ray Tindall, from Chester
Paul Towers, from Pocklington, East Riding of Yorkshire
John Armstrong, from Wigton, Cumbria
Nicholas Simpson, from Catterick, North Yorkshire
The men were arrested on board a ship owned by an American company which offered armed protection services to vessels sailing through an area known as "pirates' alley" between the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea.


Customs officials and police found 35 guns, including semi-automatic weapons, and almost 6,000 rounds of ammunition on board the ship which did not have permission to be in Indian waters.

A court in Tamil Nadu upheld the claim by the Indian authorities that the vessel was not properly licensed.

The men have consistently denied any wrongdoing and claim they have been abandoned by their American employers.

They also say they have not been paid since November 2013.

'Absolutely disgusting'
Speaking after being convicted, Mr Dunn said: "They have no evidence against us to say we've committed any crime and yet they have found us guilty.

"I have done six months in prison, I've done 27 months in total and now they've sentenced me to do a further five years. This is absolutely disgusting."

Meanwhile John Armstrong said: "I should be surprised but I'm not.

"I'm a bit speechless but I'd seen it coming. We will appeal, but I don't know when because I haven't spoken to the lawyer."

Billy Irving's partner, Yvonne MacHugh, said: "After two long years of fighting to get my partner Billy home I'm devastated with today's verdict.

"For the next five years our son won't have a father at home."

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office said that the men had 90 days to appeal against the decision.

A spokesman said: "Our staff in India and the UK have been in close contact with all six men since their arrest to provide support to them and their families, including attending court.

"Ministers have also raised this case at the highest levels, pressing for delays to be resolved.

"We recognise what a difficult time this is for those involved. There is now a 90 day window to appeal and we will continue to provide consular assistance.

"However, we cannot interfere in another country's judicial process."

'Nightmare continues'
Ken Peters, director of Justice and Public Affairs at the Mission to Seafarers, said: "To think that highly trained professionals, properly accredited and doing a job that is protecting the world's interests are then penalised in such a way is unthinkable."

Ian Lavery, Labour MP for Wansbeck, said he would continue to campaign for the return home of constituent Mr Dunn and the other men.

He said: "This verdict will have come as a hammer blow to Nick and the other men coming only a matter of months after a court had quashed all of the charges.

"Sadly this bizarre judgment, charging former British servicemen with the maximum penalty for handling arms, means the nightmare continues.

"I will continue to work with Nick's family to fight for his release and return to the UK and am seeking urgent discussions on the way forward and seeking an early resolution to this miscarriage of justice."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35279074
 
Keep in mind that this is the 2300AD forum, so 100D is not an issue - they will continue to maneuver as long as they have stutterwarp capability.

My mistake, but that just goes to show how even less effective defensive measures are.

In deep space, even with Stutterwarp, you're alone and isolated and the bad guys have time to catch up if they're so able. You can either out run them, or you can't, after that it's a matter of "when".

And as far as I recall, communication is still speed of travel, so you can't even readily call for help.
 
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