CT Only: Book 5 Medical

[snrdg082102]

Evening all,

Looking at the data sheet for Battlecruiser Regal on pp. 36-37 where are the medical, with the exception of the Medical Officer who is part of the Command/Bridge section, personnel accounted for?

I'm guessing that they are lumped in with the crew for the hull, however they maybe included in the bridge.

 

[BlackBat242]

Might fit better in the Mega-Traveller section, if the tag in the thread title is correct.

Or in "The Fleet".

 

[atpollard]

Looking at the data sheet for Battlecruiser Regal on pp. 36-37 ...

Of what book?
Classic Traveller: Book 5 is High Guard but there is no ship on pages 36-37.
MegaTraveller: doesn't appear to number the books.
Mongoose Traveller: Book 5 is Agents and there is no ship on pages 36-37.

 

[snrdg082102]

Morning atpollard,

Of what book?
Classic Traveller: Book 5 is High Guard but there is no ship on pages 36-37.
MegaTraveller: doesn't appear to number the books.
Mongoose Traveller: Book 5 is Agents and there is no ship on pages 36-37.

I have a long reply I'm typing for BlackBat 242, your question is going to be quicker and shorter: Consolidated CT Errata v1.1.

Sorry about that, my body was letting me know (with a lot of yawning) that I needed to go to bed. Unfortunately, I wasn't listening and could have sworn I typed in Consolidated CT Errata.

Stay tuned for the long version.

 

[snrdg082102]

Morning BlackBat242

Might fit better in the Mega-Traveller section, if the tag in the thread title is correct.

Or in "The Fleet".

Oops, shows what happens when I was yawning while asking for help.

Here's the background:

I tried to recreate the 600-ton Zhodani Escort from Alien Module 4 pp. 40-41 using Andrea Vallance's High Guard Shipyard (HGS) v2.0.0.13 application. Unfortunately, the result dropped cargo from 80 to 57 tons, crew went from 13 to 27, and of course the cost didn't match either Alien Module 4 or the correction found on p. 15 of the Consolidated CT Errata v1.1.

When that didn't work I went back to Book 2 and matched everything, after some help from the forum, match everything except cost.

Pulling out my FFE 001 Classic Traveller softcover book I rediscovered the rule that Book 2 drives could be used with Book 5 HG2 1980 hulls per p. 22. Having created an Excel spreadsheet, years ago prior to HGS, I attempted to make modifications allowing Book 2 drives in HG2. This attempt quickly turned into a headache.

So I have started a new spreadsheet based on the worksheet, IN Form 10 found on pp.24-25 of Supplement 12, that allows the use of Book 2 Starships drives and power plants in Book 5 HG2 1980 p. 22.

I remembered that Consolidated CT Errata has an entry about the HG2 1980 Medical section. Which is when I discovered that IN Form 10 did not include a blank spot for the Medical section. This made me check the errata on the hulls and the last one I checked was for the Regal on Consolidated CT Errata v1.1 pp. 36-37.

Where does one put the Medical Section on the format for hulls that appear in the Consolidated CT Errata?

Does Supplement 12 IN Form 10 need to have errata of the crew lists section to incorporate a medical section?

Along with the question of where to show Medics/Medical Section has come the realization the I do not recall seeing a space on deck plans for the medic or medical section to take care of patients .

My real world experience as a submarine crew member the corpsman/medic had what was basically a walk in closet onboard all the boats I served on. The tenders that tied-up to and the one I served had compact clinics.

Apparently the medic/medical section and medical facilities are subsumed, like airlocks and ship's lockers, into the designs.

Now I have a third space allocation to add to my list items that I feel need to be accounted for on deck plans plus a new item on where the medic or medical section should be shown in a write-up.

 

[whulorigan]

Along with the question of where to show Medics/Medical Section has come the realization the I do not recall seeing a space on deck plans for the medic or medical section to take care of patients .

My real world experience as a submarine crew member the corpsman/medic had what was basically a walk in closet onboard all the boats I served on. The tenders that tied-up to and the one I served had compact clinics.

Apparently the medic/medical section and medical facilities are subsumed, like airlocks and ship's lockers, into the designs.

Now I have a third space allocation to add to my list items that I feel need to be accounted for on deck plans plus a new item on where the medic or medical section should be shown in a write-up.

I know the thread is for CT only, but I figured I might quickly note that on the new T⁵ deckplans that just came out from FFE, Medical sections/beds, etc are specifically detailed on the deckplans.

 

[mike wightman]

Of what book?
Classic Traveller: Book 5 is High Guard but there is no ship on pages 36-37.
MegaTraveller: doesn't appear to number the books.
Mongoose Traveller: Book 5 is Agents and there is no ship on pages 36-37.

Trillion Credit Squadron perhaps...

 

[snrdg082102]

Howdy whulorigan,

I know the thread is for CT only, but I figured I might quickly note that on the new T⁵ deckplans that just came out from FFE, Medical sections/beds, etc are specifically detailed on the deckplans.

Thanks for the heads up about T5, sorry my eye-sight has a hard time seeing the tiny 5, deck plans noting the location of a shipboard medical facility.

What about airlocks and ship's lockers?

Are medical facilities, airlocks, and ship's lockers accounted for without the slop factor of, I think the number is, 10 or 20%?

 

[whulorigan]

What about airlocks and ship's lockers?

Are medical facilities, airlocks, and ship's lockers accounted for without the slop factor of, I think the number is, 10 or 20%?

I do not have the plans in front of me at the moment, but I am 90% sure that their locations are noted on the deckplans. Note: The deckplans are ONLY deckplans, they do not include a build-spreadsheet for the tonnage of individual components installed. But the T5 rules DO take such things into account in the ship-design process (i.e. they have specific tonnage allocations/requirements). An airlock is 0.5 dton, for example, on the Specialized Payload Tonnage table.

 

[snrdg082102]

Thanks for the information that T5 does add details that CT glossed over. T5 appears to be moving up on my wish list of future purchases.

I do not have the plans in front of me at the moment, but I am 90% sure that their locations are noted on the deckplans. Note: The deckplans are ONLY deckplans, they do not include a build-spreadsheet for the tonnage of individual components installed. But the T5 rules DO take such things into account in the ship-design process (i.e. they have specific tonnage allocations/requirements). An airlock is 0.5 dton, for example, on the Specialized Payload Tonnage table.

 

[snrdg082102]

Trillion Credit Squadron perhaps...

Nope, the shortest version yet: Consolidated CT Errata pp. 36-37.

However, you are correct that the Regal was used as the example for designing a ship in TCS.

Okay, not the shortest version.

 

[BlackBat242]

Morning BlackBat242

Oops, shows what happens when I was yawning while asking for help.

No problem, that's why I asked the way I did.

Here's the background:

.....

Along with the question of where to show Medics/Medical Section has come the realization the I do not recall seeing a space on deck plans for the medic or medical section to take care of patients .

My real world experience as a submarine crew member the corpsman/medic had what was basically a walk in closet onboard all the boats I served on. The tenders that tied-up to and the one I served had compact clinics.

Apparently the medic/medical section and medical facilities are subsumed, like airlocks and ship's lockers, into the designs.

Now I have a third space allocation to add to my list items that I feel need to be accounted for on deck plans plus a new item on where the medic or medical section should be shown in a write-up.

Well, I always considered that, like in the smaller real-world civilian nautical vessels, the Medical Officer (or Corpsman) aboard starships of ~<600dt conducted his business in/from his own quarters.

His quarters would include very basic medical equipment, but not a full diagnostic bed/autodoc.

Only when the crew passed ~20 crew, or if the starship carried >20 or so passengers (or >30 combined) would regulations require that there be a dedicated separate medical facility - which would indeed be sized and equipped according to the patient pool and risk levels.

Of course, any ship-owner and/or Captain can always equip his ship with more medical capability than is mandatory.

 

[snrdg082102]

Thanks BlackBat 242,

This helps with part of the question about where sickbay is located on small vessels. The question about IN Form 10 and ship's data formatting in the Consolidated CT Errata remain.

No problem, that's why I asked the way I did.



Well, I always considered that, like in the smaller real-world civilian nautical vessels, the Medical Officer (or Corpsman) aboard starships of ~<600dt conducted his business in/from his own quarters.

His quarters would include very basic medical equipment, but not a full diagnostic bed/autodoc.

Only when the crew passed ~20 crew, or if the starship carried >20 or so passengers (or >30 combined) would regulations require that there be a dedicated separate medical facility - which would indeed be sized and equipped according to the patient pool and risk levels.

Of course, any ship-owner and/or Captain can always equip his ship with more medical capability than is mandatory.

 

[whulorigan]

Well, I always considered that, like in the smaller real-world civilian nautical vessels, the Medical Officer (or Corpsman) aboard starships of ~<600dt conducted his business in/from his own quarters.

His quarters would include very basic medical equipment, but not a full diagnostic bed/autodoc.

Only when the crew passed ~20 crew, or if the starship carried >20 or so passengers (or >30 combined) would regulations require that there be a dedicated separate medical facility - which would indeed be sized and equipped according to the patient pool and risk levels.

Of course, any ship-owner and/or Captain can always equip his ship with more medical capability than is mandatory.

Thanks BlackBat 242,

This helps with part of the question about where sickbay is located on small vessels. The question about IN Form 10 and ship's data formatting in the Consolidated CT Errata remain.

Also to be considered: If a ship is equipped with Low Berths, any Medical Facility will probably be co-located there.

EDIT: BTW, on the T5 Beowulf Plans, that is where the medical bed is located.

 

[snrdg082102]

Howdy whulorigan,

Also to be considered: If a ship is equipped with Low Berths, any Medical Facility will probably be co-located there.

Recently, while digging in through material I looked at the Empress Marava deck plans where the low berths are located a long the port side aft of the port cargo lock. The crew quarters, I guessing here since most of the location numbers aren't explained, are forward of the cargo locks.

If co-located means having the low berths and medical facility combined together that is one solution and I may steal, err I mean, barrow the idea.

My preference, since I would rather not as a patient see the frozen passengers, is to have the low berths separated from the medical facility.

EDIT: BTW, on the T5 Beowulf Plans, that is where the medical bed is located.

Good a place as any and thanks for more hints about T5.

 

[whulorigan]

My preference, since I would rather not as a patient see the frozen passengers, is to have the low berths separated from the medical facility..

A simple partiton should suffice.

 

[snrdg082102]

Evening whulorigan,

A simple partition should suffice.

Might work, but probably not.