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What is the size in cubic meters of an air/raft

I think I just have a hard time coming to grips with an air/raft that is larger than a G/carrier. It doesn't seem right, either.
The GCarrier should be larger.

The LBB3'81 air/raft is 4 people + 4 tonnes of cargo.
The LBB3'81 GCarrier is about the same, plus its armoured and armed.

The example you showed is a smaller TL-15 example. A TL-8 version, like the LBB3 original, would presumably be larger?
 
... makes clear that MgT1 ingored CT when it designed Book 6 vehicles. I think I will just have to consider the Book 6 designs as mislabelled.
Or that it is a typo and the entry is wrong. I admit, I tend to ignore a single reference that does not tie into other references in game books for that exact reason. The proof reading and editing quality in game books is notorious for such errors. I know, it is just my opinion but I elect to go by the original entries and the raft is NOT larger than the G/Carrier. ;)
 
The g-carrier is 8000kg.
In addition it can carry 2 crew, 14 heavily armed soldiers (250kg allowance per soldier) and 2,000kg of cargo
or 2 crew and 5,500kg of cargo.
Loaded mass of the g-carrier is ~13,500kg compared with a loaded air/raft ~8,000kg.
 
But for a tabletop roleplaying game, particularly a "snappy, fast paced and fun" one ... playing TETRIS to "make everything fit" is really more hassle than it's worth. 😖
Hence why this level of detail down to the Actual Dimensions™ is left vague enough such that you only have to worry about displacement tons without needing to muck around dealing with length x width x height details.
So you say how many DTons something requires with ideal packing (or 'average', as long as you're consistent), and let the cargomaster/chief freight handler make a skill check to pack more in if they need to. And another to see if they loaded everything in the right order, should that become important. Nothing like landing at Dinomn and finding that someone has stacked all the freight behind the crates bound for Dinom...
 
Except that if you accept the Book 6 G/Carrier at 33m3 (copied below) and the referenced Air/Rafts at 40m3, then it is.
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makes clear that MgT1 ingored CT when it designed Book 6 vehicles. I think I will just have to consider the Book 6 designs as mislabelled.
With one cubic metre per passenger, which seems to include access space, there's not much room, so no wonder it's 'small'. Using something a little less cramped (FF&S considered 1.5 m^3 per person too cramped for normal use, and called 2.5 m^3 'cramped') would add anywhere from seven to 21 cubic metres to the G-carrier's volume.

Oh, and Supplement 5's Air/Raft is only 8 m^3Air-Raft.png
 
The g-carrier is 8000kg.
In addition it can carry 2 crew, 14 heavily armed soldiers (250kg allowance per soldier) and 2,000kg of cargo
or 2 crew and 5,500kg of cargo.
Loaded mass of the g-carrier is ~13,500kg compared with a loaded air/raft ~8,000kg.
Key part to keep in mind is the Gcarrier performance is the same but is armored and has enough extra power to fire the weapon. So a lot more power plant/battery and lifters.

That 4 ton carrying capacity of the air/raft seems screwy, just not much trunk there. Maybe it should be depicted with a grav trailer it is towing/powering.
 
How large is a car? How large is a helicopter?

4 m?
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5 m?
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6 m?
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An air/raft is a type of vehicle, not a specific model.

A GCarrier is the same, it's just a simple grav-powered APC. There are many different models.

This is a GCarrier in CT:
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(Edit: Sorry, I meant to show the LBB3 GCarrier, not Air/Raft.)

This is another GCarrier in CT:
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Both are GCarriers, they are just different models.
 
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No, the second example is a Striker design. Striker vehicle design is fun but it is almost impossible to reproduce the characteristics of the CT g-carrier and air/raft as detailed in LBB:3.
 
No, the second example is a Striker design. Striker vehicle design is fun but it is almost impossible to reproduce the characteristics of the CT g-carrier and air/raft as detailed in LBB:3.
They are both CT and they are both GCarriers. Both are equally CT and canonical.

They use different design systems: "Let's-make-shit-up" (LBB3) vs. systematised "Let's-make-shit-up" (Striker), but so what?
 
Now this:
With one cubic metre per passenger, which seems to include access space, there's not much room, so no wonder it's 'small'. Using something a little less cramped (FF&S considered 1.5 m^3 per person too cramped for normal use, and called 2.5 m^3 'cramped') would add anywhere from seven to 21 cubic metres to the G-carrier's volume.

Oh, and Supplement 5's Air/Raft is only 8 m^3
is a new perspective. I do not have this book, but it seems much more in line with what I can build with book 6. It changes the main Traveller book notion of air/rafts requiring 4 dtons of space, but I don't have a problem if they don't. BTW, 1.5m^3 per person seems roomy compared with coach seating on an airline, which is probably closer to 1m^3.
 
They are both CT and they are both GCarriers. Both are equally CT and canonical.

They use different design systems: "Let's-make-shit-up" (LBB3) vs. systematised "Let's-make-shit-up" (Striker), but so what?
Not exactly. Striker is a miniatures wargame for Traveller with a design sequence that produces vehicles for Striker. It can not reproduce the vehicles listed in LBB:3.

So while part of the CT corpus it falls short of being a definitive vehicle design system, or it would have been designed to be able to reproduce the vehicles in LBB:3

Which battlefield meson gun is canonical? The LBB:4 60,000kg one or the Striker 15,000kg one?
 
Now this:

is a new perspective. I do not have this book, but it seems much more in line with what I can build with book 6. It changes the main Traveller book notion of air/rafts requiring 4 dtons of space, but I don't have a problem if they don't. BTW, 1.5m^3 per person seems roomy compared with coach seating on an airline, which is probably closer to 1m^3.
Now get out of that airline seat in a hurry, with your gear. Oh, right - there's no room for a decent-sized person in combat gear. The G-carrier is supposed to be at least combat-adjacent, but the only way the passengers could use it as such is if it only carries 8-10 passengers. APCs are cramped, but not that cramped (well, until their users cram extra kit into every available space). But this is a minor quibble, really. MgT1 Supp5&6 are, like most other Traveller vehicle design rules, a thing unto themselves (TNE did use FF&S for its stuff, so errata aside it was internally consistent).
 
A Bradley Fighting Vehicle is 6+ meters long. So, I think its fair to say that its a reasonable approximation of something akin to a G-Carrier in size.
 
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