Bummed...need consolation...will settle for Brew!
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Keklas Rekobah
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For about three years before the dotcom bubble burst, it seemed that anyone who knew anything about IT was offering "Certified" training in that field.
The people whom I've interviewed for IT positions know only how to pass the certification exams (even the ones from Micro$oft). These people were sold on the idea that an IT certificate was the golden path to wealth and power. Now they're finding out that an IT certificate alone only qualifies them to ask "Do you want to supersize your order?"
I don't have an IT certificate, yet I can program circles around most of the people here, AND set up a server/hub/firewall system better and faster than some of the guys over in the IT department - I set up the system here in the warehouse, and nobody's hacked it yet (I think...).
The people whom I've interviewed for IT positions know only how to pass the certification exams (even the ones from Micro$oft). These people were sold on the idea that an IT certificate was the golden path to wealth and power. Now they're finding out that an IT certificate alone only qualifies them to ask "Do you want to supersize your order?"
I don't have an IT certificate, yet I can program circles around most of the people here, AND set up a server/hub/firewall system better and faster than some of the guys over in the IT department - I set up the system here in the warehouse, and nobody's hacked it yet (I think...).
None of this is intended as a personal judgement...
When I was a young pup and graduated with my degree (before the age of certs) everyone and there sister was an overnight IT expert. I was amused at the lack of structure and nightmares that were being created by these individuals. Heck I knew a moron sound tech at disney that someone decided should be a new IT director because he had two computers in his sound tech group.
The certification programs helped mature knowledge, improve quality, and set standards and direction. They were far from perfect. Individuals like myself that learned unix in college classes(and didn't cert) were looked at with uncertaintly by non-tech recruiters.
Today outsourcing has tossed quality out the window. On one of my 1099 jobs the Indian programmers continuously failed our software tests and refused to document (they were too busy). Education in any field sets standards for communications that shouldn't be under estimated.
Unfortunately, a lot of people went into IT for the wrong reason and it shows.
Savage
When I was a young pup and graduated with my degree (before the age of certs) everyone and there sister was an overnight IT expert. I was amused at the lack of structure and nightmares that were being created by these individuals. Heck I knew a moron sound tech at disney that someone decided should be a new IT director because he had two computers in his sound tech group.
The certification programs helped mature knowledge, improve quality, and set standards and direction. They were far from perfect. Individuals like myself that learned unix in college classes(and didn't cert) were looked at with uncertaintly by non-tech recruiters.
Today outsourcing has tossed quality out the window. On one of my 1099 jobs the Indian programmers continuously failed our software tests and refused to document (they were too busy). Education in any field sets standards for communications that shouldn't be under estimated.
Unfortunately, a lot of people went into IT for the wrong reason and it shows.
Savage
Unfortunately, that happens in quite a few fields and not just IT (law, medicine, psychology, come to mind immediately). People are always going into some fields because of the lure of "easy" money or "easy/guaranteed" employment even though they're not suited for it one reason or another.
Ron
Yeah...well like i said before: I can accept that the marketspace is changing: If blue collar jobs are gone to mexico/china, and white collar jobs are going to india...what color collar jobs are left?
I'm one of those ANCIENT IT Doods...40 years with 20 in IT. I have my certification, but i got it from experience. I'm definitely no Paper MCSE.
It's funny though: the IT contract job i just lost went to the Indians. I keep wondering if it's a phase like the Adkins Diet, or if it's really gonna stick (outsourcing).
Here's my line of thinking: If those ex-white collar/blue collar types used to be middle - income amerians, and if jobs are now oursourced because the result is cheaper labor for companies: Who's gonna be left to buy the goods? I mean think about it: The average Indian IT person makes like $8,900 / year. Are they going to buy a 40k SUV or $4,000 HDTV? I don't think so.
THis is just another episode of wealth transferance from the many to the few. They said that Exxon MObil netted $20 BILLION last year in net income. twenty-stinkin-billion dollars! Now i'm all for companies making a return on their investment. But twenty-friggin-billion dollars?
And Microsoft has like $40 billion in cash on the books. What the heck...create some damn jobs already and share that wealth. It's sure not doin any one any good sitting in a bank!
I'm one of those ANCIENT IT Doods...40 years with 20 in IT. I have my certification, but i got it from experience. I'm definitely no Paper MCSE.
It's funny though: the IT contract job i just lost went to the Indians. I keep wondering if it's a phase like the Adkins Diet, or if it's really gonna stick (outsourcing).
Here's my line of thinking: If those ex-white collar/blue collar types used to be middle - income amerians, and if jobs are now oursourced because the result is cheaper labor for companies: Who's gonna be left to buy the goods? I mean think about it: The average Indian IT person makes like $8,900 / year. Are they going to buy a 40k SUV or $4,000 HDTV? I don't think so.
THis is just another episode of wealth transferance from the many to the few. They said that Exxon MObil netted $20 BILLION last year in net income. twenty-stinkin-billion dollars! Now i'm all for companies making a return on their investment. But twenty-friggin-billion dollars?
And Microsoft has like $40 billion in cash on the books. What the heck...create some damn jobs already and share that wealth. It's sure not doin any one any good sitting in a bank!
amen to that, my brother!
OF course...maybe if one were to speculate...Microsoft and Exxon Mobile are perhaps the 'seeds' of the megacorporations of the future?
I mean...if we think of a megacorp as one spanning the stars, then one would presume that a single (or couple) corporation would have to dominate it's home planet and reach out from there right?
So when do we get Microsoft making interstellar software and Exxon mining hydrogen from the gas giants? When's the leap from planetary to interplanetary to interstellar?
WIth 40 billion in the bank, i betcha microsoft could make their own mars research program! Perhaps they could make AI based space suits! And then some John-GLenn type would be out on the Red PLanet and the AI voice would say: "Warning: current atmosphere is incompatible with the Version 2004 Space Suit. You must upgrade to Release 5. Shutting down life support..."
OF course...maybe if one were to speculate...Microsoft and Exxon Mobile are perhaps the 'seeds' of the megacorporations of the future?
I mean...if we think of a megacorp as one spanning the stars, then one would presume that a single (or couple) corporation would have to dominate it's home planet and reach out from there right?
So when do we get Microsoft making interstellar software and Exxon mining hydrogen from the gas giants? When's the leap from planetary to interplanetary to interstellar?
WIth 40 billion in the bank, i betcha microsoft could make their own mars research program! Perhaps they could make AI based space suits! And then some John-GLenn type would be out on the Red PLanet and the AI voice would say: "Warning: current atmosphere is incompatible with the Version 2004 Space Suit. You must upgrade to Release 5. Shutting down life support..."
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