Civvie Ship Weapons Stations

[Icosahedron]

Where, on normal ships, are there personal weapons storage locations?

I play it as: <snip>

Of course. But what are the rules? IYTU you decide, but what are the rules in the OTU? Do you know for sure?


Do you have any evidence that those are the rules? Is it mentioned anywhere in GT:Starports, maybe? (I'm not being sarcastic; I haven't read every page in SP, so it might be something like that. Or it might be stated in some other canon source. If so, I'd like to know it.)


The Imperium =/= 20th Century Britain. On Age of Sail ships gentlemen (like nobles and officers) kept their own weapons with them aboard a ship. Of course, the Imperium =/= 18th Century Britain either. So what does the canon have to say about the subject?


Hans

Hans, AFAIK the thread is not restricted to discussion of the OTU. Certainly there is no such restriction in the OP copied above, in fact it seems to be an open invitation for ideas and opinions. I clearly labelled my post with the acronym NIMTU.

So (also not being sarcastic) no, I have no evidence of, or even much interest in, the OTU situation, I was merely giving an example from MTU of how such matters might be handled, for the Traveller community to use or ignore as each individual sees fit.

My reference to the UK was simply a comic reminder that not every culture has a right to bear arms written into its constitution. I have no idea whether the OTU does.

 

[Gadrin]

It's one of those things where the GM cuts slack/opens a "fun" loophole, there's no problem with that. I do that in my games (not just Traveller) sometimes unconsciously.

It's just the way things are in Han's TU. If we were online, playing a game here (or PBP) it wouldn't even be an issue, I'd accept it FWIW.

But realistically, there'd be limits to things. I don't think _realistically_ the Emperor would allow weapons to be in his presence unless possessed by people he trusts. Look at our own world and Prisoner of Zenda hunting scenes be damned

So just because there's a sentence in canon, doesn't mean I buy it. It' a minor point, but it's that way in most RPGs. You never buy all of it. Ever.

A liner would likely have a security detail. A scenario I'd see is that the
noble tries to get his gun on board in some fashion. The liner management who are present during this would probably inform him of the rules and request _____ whatever they have deemed to be safe operating procedures. This isn't just a whimsical set of rules, the liner is likely to have an insurance company backing it and must comply with the insurance company's wishes in order to operate.

It could very well be that the King of Siam can get the local manager to call the insurance company and get them to waive the restriction for said passenger (or that the insurance company allows the local manager to waive it -- your call -- they trust them that much). It could very well happen. Celebrity and all that.
This could happen when the Insurance company is X jumps away and doesn't have a local office. Can you imagine the planning of just that simple enterprise ? (meaning the operating procedures of a liner company).

For some minor baron, I don't think things will just go his way. Sure exceptions happen, but it seems a bit silly that just because the Emperor allows other nobles to wear personal firearms in his presence the entire Imperium adopts this rote as some sort of noble-power-privilege.

If the liner doesn't have security, almost all decent hotels do, and that's more or less what a liner is, I'd be surprised. Especially in Ine Givar territory.


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[rancke]

Hans, AFAIK the thread is not restricted to discussion of the OTU.

True, but AFAIK this subthread was a response to my post about the weaponry at large on the ship in my adventure. When you posted that this wasn't realistic, you included all TUs, including mine and the OTU. Well, I don't expect many people to be interested in MTU, where, after all, I could just say "In MTU, High, Middle, and Low Passage are not tickets, they are ticket vouchers issued by assorted Imperial organizations. The "High Passage" is also known as a "Priority" voucher and are issued to Imperial servants on official business. They allow the holders to preempt passage on any chartered passenger ship. By Imperial law, ships operated by chartered companies are obliged to accept such a voucher as full payment and not to bar the holder for any reason" and end the discussion. But where would be the fun of that?

Certainly there is no such restriction in the OP copied above, in fact it seems to be an open invitation for ideas and opinions. I clearly labelled my post with the acronym NIMTU.

And as I see no more use of discussing your TU than in discussing mine, I disposed of it in my first sentence. In YTU it's not realistic. In mine it is. Having disposed of that, there remains only the OTU for us to discuss. Well... if you really do want to discuss MTU and show me that it isn't realistic, feel free, but I don't really expect you to be interested.

So (also not being sarcastic) no, I have no evidence of, or even much interest in, the OTU situation, I was merely giving an example from MTU of how such matters might be handled, for the Traveller community to use or ignore as each individual sees fit.

That's not how it came across[*]. It came across as if you were commenting on my post, which, by the nature of things, wasn't about your TU at all. Your original post said something about it being pretty dumb. With emphasis on the dumb. That's OK, I didn't take offense, but I do think I should be allowed to defend my point of view.


Hans


[*] Please note that I'm not drawing your veracity into question. I'm saying that you failed to get your meaning across to me.

 

[Icosahedron]

And as I see no more use of discussing your TU than in discussing mine, I disposed of it in my first sentence. In YTU it's not realistic. In mine it is. Having disposed of that, there remains only the OTU for us to discuss.

I disagree. Just because our TUs are incompatible it doesn't mean we can't discuss them, in fact it would be more pointless to discuss them if they were in agreement. By highlighting different POVs we help others to reach decisions about how to handle things in their own TUs (which I believe was the original intention of the thread). To me, this makes more sense than discussing semantics of OTU canon, except for those people who game exclusively in the OTU.

That's not how it came across[*]. It came across as if you were commenting on my post, which, by the nature of things, wasn't about your TU at all. Your original post said something about it being pretty dumb. With emphasis on the dumb. That's OK, I didn't take offense, but I do think I should be allowed to defend my point of view.


Hans


[*] Please note that I'm not drawing your veracity into question. I'm saying that you failed to get your meaning across to me.

Then I apologise for not making myself clear, Hans. It was not my intention to dismiss YTU, but simply to offer an alternative scenario, and I don't recall saying anything about your ideas being dumb - that is not something I would do, it's not polite.

I'm interested in hearing about all TUs. Alternative ideas help me to develop MTU.

 

[rancke]

Then I apologise for not making myself clear, Hans. It was not my intention to dismiss YTU, but simply to offer an alternative scenario, and I don't recall saying anything about your ideas being dumb - that is not something I would do, it's not polite.

You didn't. It was Gadrin. Somehow I got the two of you conflated. Pure sloppiness on my part, for which I apologise. That invalidates much of what I said in my previous post. I'm sorry.


Hans