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CT Only: Differences between Classic Traveller 1st ed., 2nd. ed., and The Traveller Book

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Does a variorum exist comparing the '77, '81, and '82 versions the core contents, Books 1-3, of Classic Traveller? Otherwise, I am considering starting a writing project noting the differences across the different texts.
 
Robin Chang said:
Does a variorum exist comparing the '77, '81, and '82 versions the core contents, Books 1-3, of Classic Traveller? Otherwise, I am considering starting a writing project noting the differences across the different texts.
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At Drive Thru RPG:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/produc...ules-Special-Supplement?filters=10134_0_0_0_0

Also, someone on this forum did a nice side-by side comparison document of Books 1-3 thru the various editions, but I do not remember who (I want to say Creativehum or Frankymole, but I do not quite remember for sure).
EDIT: CORRECTION - The document is by ffilz - Section-by-section comparison:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jsH-EgKvaR0mdbtJMj_Xj7X3TcYyZTqQGf-Gwu58PX0/edit?usp=sharing​
 
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Robin Chang said:
Does a variorum exist comparing the '77, '81, and '82 versions the core contents, Books 1-3, of Classic Traveller? Otherwise, I am considering starting a writing project noting the differences across the different texts.
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http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Lost_Rules_of_Traveller

There ahs been a fair amount of study of this and it has been a regular topic of interest on the Traveller Mailing List (TML).

But, there is always room for more.

Shalom,
M.
 
As a side note, I found some differences concerning the ACQUIRED SKILLS TABLES, which haven't been added to ffilz's document, yet.

Axe said:
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BOOK 1 (1977 edition), BOOK 1 (1981 edition), THE TRAVELLER BOOK (1982), and STARTER TRAVELLER (1983), all say "He goes on a physical fitness Kick [Table 1, roll 3= +1 endurance] and learns to better defend himself [Table 2, roll 4= gun combat] using the small body pistol.", during his second term of service.

BOOK 1 (1977 edition), BOOK 1 (1981 edition), THE TRAVELLER BOOK (1982), and STARTER TRAVELLER (1983), all say "He trains himself in the martial arts [Table 1, roll 5= blade combat], choosing the cutlass and [Table 2, roll 4= gun combat] the submachinegun.", during his Fourth term of service.

Check this out:

ACQUIRED SKILLS TABLES comparing BOOK 1 (1977 edition) and BOOK 1 (1981 edition):
Personal Development Table
_77 Navy81 Navy77 Marines81 Marines77 Army81 Army77 Scouts81 Scouts77 Merchant81 Merchant77 Other81 Other
1+1 Stren+1 Stren+1 Stren+1 Stren+1 Stren+1 Stren+1 Stren+1 Stren+1 Stren+1 Stren+1 Stren+1 Stren
2+1 Dext+1 Dext+1 Dext+1 Dext+1 Dext+1 Dext+1 Dext+1 Dext+1 Dext+1 Dext+1 Dext+1 Dext
3+1 Endur+1 Endur+1 Endur+1 Endur+1 Endur+1 Endur+1 Endur+1 Endur+1 Endur+1 Endur+1 Endur+1 Endur
4+1 Social+1 IntelGamblingGamblingGamblingGamblingGun Cbt+1 Intel+1 Stren+1 StrenBlade CbtBlade Cbt
5+1 Intel+1 EducBrawlingBrawlingBrawling+1 Educ+1 Intel+1 EducBlade CbtBlade CbtBrawlingBrawling
6+1 Educ+1 SocialBlade CbtBlade Cbt+1 EducBrawling+1 EducGun CbtBriberyBribery-1 Social-1 Social
Service Skills Table
_77 Navy81 Navy77 Marines81 Marines77 Army81 Army77 Scouts81 Scouts77 Merchant81 Merchant77 Other81 Other
1Ship's BoatShip's BoatATVVehicleATVVehicleAir/RaftVehicleStewardVehicleForgeryVehicle
2Vacc SuitVacc SuitVacc SuitVacc SuitAir/RaftAir/RaftVacc SuitVacc SuitVacc SuitVacc SuitGamblingGambling
3Fwd ObsvFwd ObsvrBlade CbtBlade CbtFwd ObsvGun CbtNavigationMechanical+1 StrenJack-o-TBrawlingBrawling
4Blade CbtGunneryBlade CbtGun CbtBlade CbtFwd ObsvrMechanicalNavigationGun CbtStewardBlade CbtBribery
5Gun CbtBlade CbtGun CbtBlade CbtGun CbtBlade CbtElectronicElectronicsElectronicElectronicsGun CbtBlade Cbt
6GunneryGun CbtGun CbtGun CbtGun CbtGun CbtJack-o-TJack-o-TJack-o-TGun CbtBriberyGun Cbt


The ACQUIRED SKILLS TABLES for THE TRAVELLER BOOK and STARTER TRAVELLER are the same as in BOOK 1 (1981 edition), except for table 2, line one, and is shown below:

Services Skills Table
_NavyMarinesArmyScoutsMerchantOther
1Ship's BoatATVATVAir/RaftVehicleVehicle

*Note: Errata indicates incidents of "ATV" and "Air/Raft" should be "Vehicle" in the above tables.




Captain A. L. Jamison learned his lesson about "Steward" and skipped class for more useful training, starting in 1981!


I guess the thing to do is to change the rolls from "4" to "6", for 1981 and later.

CHEERS!
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Thank you

Hi All, thanks for recommending especially the Lost Rules Supplement. I will also explore the TML. I think the LRS is extremely helpful. Assuming copyright is not an issue, I would like to write out the differences line-by-line so the three versions are reconciled (or not). The reason is although some who have actually read the rules see and know the difference. Yet I see in other places mention of CT without saying which version (for some reason). Writing a Variorum would be some work but doable and even fun. Thanks again for the support.
 
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Thanks also for recommending ffilz's comparison in Google Doc. This combined with the Lost Rules helps a great deal. And from what it sounds there's room to get clearer in documenting the evolution of the rules
 
Axe said:
As a side note, I found some differences concerning the ACQUIRED SKILLS TABLES, which haven't been added to ffilz's document, yet.
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I do actually have the skill changes noted:

Marines and Army - Vehicle instead of ATV
Scouts Vehicle instead of Air/Raft
(Note, Army still has explicit Air/Raft)
Merchant Vehicle instead of +1 Stren on Service Skills
Other Vehicle instead of Forgery on Service Skills
Also some re-ordering of skills
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I didn't note that the description of Jamison's service is wrong...
 
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