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Eskayloytforming

kafka47

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Much of the debate regarding the Ancients is why would they have created so many worlds that support "alien" (ie Human Vargr Dolphin life)? Would it not be more likely that they would mould entire worlds/systems to resemble Eskayloyt?

There is a mystery and a challenge for the Board to take up. I reckon the Ancients were in fact slave owners and they bent the rules to see that their slaves had adequate lodgings. Or perhaps, the Ancients were opposed in their swarm across Chartered Space. Let the Conspiracy Theories and factual theories fly.
 
Most likely theory: It can't make sense, because Marc didn't think it through properly.


Second most likely theory: the "terraformed" worlds were made like that so that their uplifted species could live on them.

Kinda Cool theory: The Ancients didn't terraform those worlds - they were already like that when they found them.
 
I blame the hiver with the screwdriver


*you cant lose with that one !*
 
Originally posted by kafka47:
Much of the debate regarding the Ancients is why would they have created so many worlds that support "alien" (ie Human Vargr Dolphin life)? Would it not be more likely that they would mould entire worlds/systems to resemble Eskayloyt?
Let's see: who were the Ancients?

* A few hundred mutant super-Droyne.
* A bunch of non-mutant non-super-Droyne.
* A whole bunch of super-intelligent robots.
* A whole bunch of humans.
* A whole bunch of Vargr.
* Miscellaneous others.

Who are the most numerous and widespread of these?Who are the "statistically typical" members of this society? Well, possibly the robots, but they can be built to match the worlds, rather than vice versa.

Aside from that, presumably the humans and Vargr.

So while the rulers of these societies were Droyne, most of their subjects weren't - and the worlds were terraformed accordingly.

That's my guess. YMMV, IMTU, etc...
 
Originally posted by kafka47:
Would it not be more likely that they would mould entire worlds/systems to resemble Eskayloyt?
How different is Eskayloyt from Terra in terms of atmosphere and other environmental conditions? I don't have my Droyne Alien Module (or Secret of the Ancients) at hand right now...
 
I don't think anyone knows. For droyne to be able to fly IIRC they need a low gravity world with a dense atmosphere. Which is probably very unlikely
 
Low grav and dense atmosphere... But still breathable, right? So Eskayloytforming would essentially be Terraforming, albeit with a higher atmospheric pressure (but still bearable). This will also explain all the low-grav worlds with significant atmospheres in the OTU...
 
Except that while some the most massive of those small worlds might retain thick atmospheres after 300,000 years (but not for millions of years), many wouldn't be able to hold onto them for anywhere near that long. They'd have to be actively replenished at a rate faster than the gases were lost.

Either that or this is a universe full of worlds like Druidia from Spaceballs, with glass roofs.
 
IIRC the best bet was in the spinward marches but maybe it been lost for ever and a dustball would be more fitting and add to the mystery or have it blown to bits and parts flying around the galaxy.
 
Originally posted by kafka47:

Would it not be more likely that they would mould entire worlds/systems to resemble Eskayloyt?
The way I understand it is that E-norm and E-prime planets may have been spread all over the place 300,000 years ago, but now-a-days they are mostly asteroid belts.

I would certainly expect that the Ancients would have terraformed many worlds to match their homeworld - for their own use. And that is where most of the ancient droyne would have lived. But that would have also made them prime targets during the 2000 year Final War. As the centuries passed more and more of these worlds would have been ground to space-dust by the same brilliant minds that had created them in the first place. Civil wars are always the worst.

Of course the low gravity, high atmospheric density needed for the Droyne to be able to fly is going to be a rarity in the natural universe. (Andor's UWP is C695735-9, for reference). Which means - to me - that the Droyne would be uncomfortable on most 'average' habitable worlds in charted space.

This might be the very reason for their using 'slave' species in the first place. Slavery makes little sense in an industrial society where machines can do 'work' far more efficiently and cheaply than can most animals. But in their desire to explore/study/exploit new worlds, it may have made sense for the Ancient genius' to employ a more rugged sapient species to manage their affairs on those worlds that they would find unpleasant. Much cheaper and easier than terraforming the whole world. Furthermore, terraforming might just destroy the very things that they wanted to study or exploit, so why not 'send in the humans' instead? They are easy to train and they reproduce like stink.

When the war came, the very inhospitability of those worlds, from the Droyne's standpoint, might be the reason why so many were overlooked and left to survive with their various human populations intact. Lucky us.

That's my take on it anyway.
 
My speculation is that many of the worlds were experiments by 'The Grandfather', or his brightest proteges. I tend to go for the latter in my campaign setting. I figure there are uplifted races undiscovered out there beyond the known Traveller universe. There are also races probably that proved unviable & failed; were destroyed during the ancient wars; not to mention races erased by their makers for whatever reasons.

I speculated there are probably more pocket systems(Like in Secrets of the Ancients & one of the T4 scenarios) hidden from discovery. Also some unfinished pocket systems (such as the Tortuga system in my campaign).
 
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