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Extradition & The OTU

Does the 3I practice extradition to/from the planets within it? Is it on a case by case basis?

I have in my game a character who, on a law level E world, (Gov. Religious Oligarchy) has been arrested while (Unknowingly) smuggling arms to religious seperatists. However, he was arrested on an imperial starport, by imperial forces. Naturally, they plan to send him off to the planetary police forces. However, he has a plan whcih I'm not sure how to handle:

He intends to, while in custody, perpetrate a crime against the 3I directly, so as to stand trial with them and not with the hyper-religious fanatical folk on the other side of the fence.

So my dilemma is, would this work? Or would they just charge him for the crime against the 3I, and if he's found innocent, pack him off to the religo-heads? I'm very uncertain what to do here, not being terribly familiar with how such things are handled, even in the real world.
 
Archdealer,

His plan won't work in the real world. Whether it will work in the OTU is up to you.

First, just because the Imperium gets the first bite at the apple, that doesn't stop the world from biting the apple too. Your player would be charged, tried, convicted by the Imperium for the Imperial crime, and do Imperial time. Then, after he completes that sentence, the Imperium hands him over to the world for trial, conviction, and punsihment. All he's doing is adding to his jail time.

Second, why did the Imperium arrest him within an imperial facility? He hadn't broken an Imperial law, had he?

GT:Nobles has a sidebar that deals with extradition. Simply put, the Imperium doesn't force member worlds to extradite criminals between each other but it does encourage it. Member worlds can refuse to arrest/extradite people for crimes committed on other worlds that aren't crimes on their world.

As Nobles suggests, extradition in the OTU is a complex costly business and usually worth more trouble than it is worth.


Have fun,
Bill
 
Why have the Imperials arrested him at the Imperial starport?

Trading in weapons is perfectly legal within the Imperium isn't it ;)

Ok, so the buyer has some problems with the local government...
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Well, he was unknowingly violating other laws, too. Flying an unregistered ship with an altered transponder, (wait.. I'm tired... is that what they're called?) and his cargo manifest was drastically different from what he turned out to be carrying. However, he was arrested by request of the planetary forces, as the crime was commited outside the starport, but he returned before they could grab him. So I guess my question was more, would the Imperial forces bother? Might they just let him go, but then he'd be wanted on that world?
 
Ahh, now that's more like a serious crime to the Impies - changing transponders is a big no no.

He could be trying to avoid paying his Imperial taxes, or worse, he could even be one of those ethically challenged merchants who occasionally borrows things from other ships...

at gun point ;)

Perhaps the Imperials will threaten him with handing him over to the locals, unless he agrees to a certain deal...
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the Port Director "generously" pardons the PC for his evil deeds and sends him on his merry way to be greated by the planetary authorities with open arms.
 
Originally posted by Archhealer:
Does the 3I practice extradition to/from the planets within it? Is it on a case by case basis?
It isn't really defined. (You can use GT:Nobles, or not, it's up to you.)

We were left to our own devices in this matter for so long, that of course, I made my own choices.


Originally posted by Archhealer:
[...] a character [...]law level E world [...]has been arrested while (Unknowingly) smuggling arms [...] However, he was arrested on an imperial starport, by imperial forces.

[...] they plan to send him off to the planetary police forces. [...]

He intends to, while in custody, perpetrate a crime against the 3I directly, so as to stand trial with them [...]

So my dilemma is, would this work?
Ok, I can only tell you how it would go down IMTU, in the most general sense, the "template" that other modifications, like the personalities and situations involved on the world.

All IMTU:

Crimes against the Imperium have top priority, no matter what a Member World wishes. However, transponder alterations, while serious, are not as serious as smuggling weapons. By that I mean that the Member World considers it such, and while the Imperium's claim may take priority regardless of the severity, the local Imperial Noble* (a Margrave on a mainworld, Baron on a secondary world) will have the final decision on what happens.

If relations between the Imperium and the world are cordial, extradition may well be rendered . . . but only after a trial for the Imperial Crime (the Member World would have to apply serious muscle and pressure to get the criminal first). Even if the criminal somehow cleared prosecution on the Member World, they would be returned to the starport into Imperial custody to serve any punishment set.

If relations are not cordial, the local noble will almost certainly play a game of politics, and try and use the Member World's desire to get hold of the criminal as a form of leverage (however small) in an attempt to improve relations ("Hi, I'll give you Mr. Criminal, and you'll be nice to me in this other way.").

And then, of course, we must factor in the severity of any deliberately commissioned crime. I would have the local Imps conduct a thorough investigation (possibly calling in the Imperial Marshals and their extensive TL-15 forensics gear, training, and professionalism). If there was any determination that the crime was committed to avoid being extradited (I'm thinking of some type of serious assualt or murder, here . . . I can't think of what else could be possible that will be severe enough to matter or easy enough to conduct while in prison, and while in prison, even these will be hard to commit), then the hammer would fall. The Local Noble (or Justicar) would be outraged. The penalities for the crime would be levied, and then additional penalities would grow atop that. Execution would be called for in a murder case, most certainly.

There are many other possible factors, including whether the noble is indebted in some way to the criminal, whether the world has a hold in the noble, red tap, incompetence, stupidity, etc. Anything.

Imperial Barristers (lawyers, Solicitors, what have you) might well step forward and begin pointing out obscure but conflicting laws that may interfere in the procedings.

Barrister: "Your Excellency, the criminal committed the transponder violation with a Dark Fizban in the House of Aries!"

Margrave: "Blast it! We'll have to dance the hookey pokey and turn ourselves about before we can resolve this one."

And then, the horse may well sing.

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* Or their Justicar or authorized Deputy Justicar. These are Household positions. The Justicar is a noble's dispenser of justice, who handles legal court cases and administration of legal matters (possibly with a very large staff, depending on the noble) on behalf of the noble except in the most serious of cases (such as crimes by committed by members of the nobility).
 
I'm very much liking this 'blackmail' plan. Especially since, on this particular world (and in this system) the Imperium has a fairly weak foothold, and very little presence beyond a small naval force and the downport officials & police. The world itself is xenophobic and obnoxious... so maybe the Imperium WANTS the arms smuggling, to incite civil war, so they can step in and pretty much take over... so maybe the PCs now get to go start a war. That shoudl be fun. They've shown themselves to be skilled in that area.
 
My take is this:

The Imperial Military would NOT arrest for anything but an imperial crime. IMoJ might, if the local IMoJ office felt it worthy.

The local starport forces are Huscarles, since IMTU, the fief is the starport. They would enforce based upon the local Noble's established protocol. If he's good with the locals, he might simply turn the guy over. Or, alternatively, recommend IMoJ look intoo it for him. Or, possibly, ignore the whole incident, or even quietly shield the guy from local authority.

Individual worlds establish extradition treaties on a regular basis, as do US States between each other. (While not formally treaties, the Memoranda of Understanding between governors, ratified by state legislatures are, in all but name, treaties. They can, and have been, treated as subsets of Federal law in somme cases, or supersets of local laws in others.) For RW example, a friend of mine is wanted in the state of Washington for parole violation on a felony parole. The state of Alaska refused to extradite, since in AK, he's been well behaved, productive, and supported 2 kids, neither his own, and paid his child support on two children he sired by two women besides his wife (who is the mother of his stepkids). Another chap I knew was wanted for misdemeanor violations in WA, but was extradited because he was unemployed, suspected of dealing drugs, and had numerous misdemeanor counts in AK... he was exported, tried, and convicted. Several states won't extradite if there is a death penalty charge.

The OTU is similarly localized, IMTU. And, based upon TTA, it appears the OTU is as well.
 
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