How canony is this?

[Drakon]

I found a pdf writeup of the corridor sector. One thing that intrigues me about it, is that it gives UWPs for the years 1212, 1202, and 1130. I don't have the author's name on the pdf, all I have is a creation date (10/23/1998). The opening mentions the "Oklahoma Land Rush of 1202".

Can anyone identify this Traveller file? How much of this is OTU?

On a different tact, I came across a reference to something called "the Corridor Marches" that was absorbed by the Commonwealth of Deneb in 1270. Is there any more information of what this was/is/will be?

 

[DonM]

I'd have to see both, but the only place I know of where canon data appears for Deneb sector is Mongoose's Deneb Sector book.

And the Commonwealth of Deneb/Corridor Marches stuff sounds very non-canon.

Still, I'd like to see both, to confirm.

 

[Drakon]

I'd have to see both, but the only place I know of where canon data appears for Deneb sector is Mongoose's Deneb Sector book.

And the Commonwealth of Deneb/Corridor Marches stuff sounds very non-canon.

Still, I'd like to see both, to confirm.

1) Sent the pdf.
2) The reference is from travellerwiki. http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/The_Commonwealth_of_Deneb

And there at the top it says not cannon. Missed it. Sorry.
So what is the canonical history of Corridor during the 1200's?

The section involved says

Deneb Commonwealth Member States

Beneath the Commonwealth government, fifteen self ruling states are recognized. These are known as Federations, as their representatives were the original framers and signatories of the Covenant. These federations include the federations:
...
14 Corridor March: Trailing subsectors of the Narrows (Corridor and Provence between the Great Rift and Windhorn). Capitol at Lemish/Lemish. This is the newest Federation, having been admitted only in 1270.

 

[DonM]

I'd look at the 1248 book on Deneb sector, The Spinward States.

 

[GypsyComet]

Corridor is awfully small and thinly spread to support much in the way of pocket empires unless they can claw their way back up to TL12. Considering the pummeling the area received from the Vargr during the Rebellion, followed by the concentrating effect of the cartography bringing Virus to the same victims over and over, Corridor is likely a nasty mess with one foot in the graveyard even in the early 1200s. The taming of the sector during and following the Dominate War just so the Regency can participate would probably lead to recovery among the survivors, but how well that will be supported by follow up commerce as the Fourth Imperium rises is an open question. Vland is broken as a power following the Dominate War, so the silk road route between the Regency and the 4I is looong.

 

[Drakon]

Corridor is awfully small and thinly spread to support much in the way of pocket empires unless they can claw their way back up to TL12. Considering the pummeling the area received from the Vargr during the Rebellion, followed by the concentrating effect of the cartography bringing Virus to the same victims over and over, Corridor is likely a nasty mess with one foot in the graveyard even in the early 1200s. The taming of the sector during and following the Dominate War just so the Regency can participate would probably lead to recovery among the survivors, but how well that will be supported by follow up commerce as the Fourth Imperium rises is an open question. Vland is broken as a power following the Dominate War, so the silk road route between the Regency and the 4I is looong.

I agree there are potentially insurmountable challenges, but I think with the proper actions, enough of Lemishian culture can survive, even thrive. I think it can be done.

The non canoical data I have says Lemish is TL 9 by 1212. But it is two jumps to Depot, itself was the site of an Imperial fleet headquarters, a class A starport, as well as a scout base. It had a tech level of 12, possibly 13 by the time of the Vargr attacks. With the right charismatic leadership, and smart diplomacy with neighbors, I think it can be pulled off.

 

[GypsyComet]

The Wiki entry suggests that this is Peter Gray's work. I would recommend starting over, from scratch and any hints provided by 1248. You might end up with something similar, since by the 1240s some small semblance of life is returning to a few of the odd corners of the former Third Imperium.

Keep in mind the Empress Wave has rolled through as well. When Peter was writing his material the EW was written to move at light speed. It has since been changed to move at a parsec per year (MGT Zhodani) so by the 1240s the wavefront has passed through the entire sector, leaving lasting unrest in its wake.

 

[Drakon]

The Wiki entry suggests that this is Peter Gray's work. I would recommend starting over, from scratch and any hints provided by 1248. You might end up with something similar, since by the 1240s some small semblance of life is returning to a few of the odd corners of the former Third Imperium.

Keep in mind the Empress Wave has rolled through as well. When Peter was writing his material the EW was written to move at light speed. It has since been changed to move at a parsec per year (MGT Zhodani) so by the 1240s the wavefront has passed through the entire sector, leaving lasting unrest in its wake.

Okay, I am informed that Corridor is not covered in the 1248 material. The material appears to make sense, and I hope one can see how easy it would be to suspect it of being canon.

I estimate that the Empress wave hits Lemish about 1210, but as it affects psions, which are likely rare in this neck of the 'Verse, it may not be that disrupting. At least locally.

While the original author may have upset a lot of people, what he produced seems rational. Lemish goes from Imperial subsector capital, to Vargr battleground, to Virus kill zone, to capital of a buffer zone between Deneb and Vland. When Corridor is finally canonized, it should end up somewhat similar.

 

[GypsyComet]

I estimate that the Empress wave hits Lemish about 1210, but as it affects psions, which are likely rare in this neck of the 'Verse, it may not be that disrupting. At least locally.

The Empress Wave affects everyone with remaining psionic potential, tested, trained, or latent. Aside from those who have aged out and the rare nulls, that's everyone.

 

[aramis]

The Empress Wave affects everyone with remaining psionic potential, tested, trained, or latent. Aside from those who have aged out and the rare nulls, that's everyone.

Actually, since Psi potential drops every 4th year after 18, and follows a near-normal curve...
For latent/untrained...
Age: Percent affected
≤25: 100%
26-29: 97%
30-33: 92%
34-37: 83%
38-41: 72%
42-45: 58%
46-49: 41%
50-53: 27%
54-57: 17%
58-61: 8%
62-65: 3%
≥66: 0%

 

[GypsyComet]

Actually, since Psi potential drops every 4th year after 18, and follows a near-normal curve...
For latent/untrained...
Age: Percent affected
≤25: 100%
26-29: 97%
30-33: 92%
34-37: 83%
38-41: 72%
42-45: 58%
46-49: 41%
50-53: 27%
54-57: 17%
58-61: 8%
62-65: 3%
≥66: 0%

Because of the relative population bottleneck caused by Virus, worlds likely won't have large populations above the age of 70 by 1210, and may not have all that many in their 60s as the scramble for personal survival slows the creation of the next generation a bit. Depending on the world, the age 40 to 60 cohort is likely to show a surge as things settle, but the Virus Night is different on every surviving world. Predicting beyond that survival reaction surge as a statistical exercise seems non-productive. Pick a world story for 1130 to 1200 and develop accordingly.

The Empress Wave may only cause a few heads to explode, as trained psions will be rare in former Imperial space, but Humaniti's potential is *not* rare at all. Quite the opposite.

 

[Drakon]

So, canoncially for Lemish, the fleet pulls out in 1117, the Vargr conquer, and the virus hits in 1131. The Empress wave hits in 1210. Lucan is finally defeated in 1214 and the 4th Imperium is founded by 1248.

Even canonically, Lemish gets hit by 2 and a half apocolypses, at least. Things are really bad when you gotta look up the plural of apocolypse.

The whole Commonwealth of Deneb fighting what is left of the restored Ziru Sirka is not canon, neither is the whole Corridor Marches thing.

 

[GypsyComet]

The whole Commonwealth of Deneb fighting what is left of the restored Ziru Sirka is not canon, neither is the whole Corridor Marches thing.

Vland did make war on the Regency in 1205 and 1206, and the result did establish Corridor as a buffer between them.

Then the Black Imperium scoured Vland itself in 1210, down to bedrock in some areas.

Vland is described as "tottering" in 1229, and so is probably in no shape to prosecute a brushfire war in Corridor during the 1220s or 1230s. The Regency is also in dubious shape, breaking up into smaller states.

Aside from a Vilani intrusion into subsector D seen on the map in "1248: Out of the Darkness", the final condition of Corridor in 1248 is stateless at that map scale. Vland is described as much stronger by 1248, by the way.

 

[Drakon]

Vland did make war on the Regency in 1205 and 1206, and the result did establish Corridor as a buffer between them.

Is there any more information on this buffer? Lemish would be recovering from the Virus attacks and Vargr raids around 1205, however with the right leadership, sufficient resources, and a bit of luck, it is possible that someone might be able to put together a mutual defense organization, spanning several stars, by 1248.

It can be argued that establishing a buffer state in the neutral zone would make diplomatic and economic issues less complicated.

Vland is described as "tottering" in 1229, and so is probably in no shape to prosecute a brushfire war in Corridor during the 1220s or 1230s. The Regency is also in dubious shape, breaking up into smaller states.

Aside from a Vilani intrusion into subsector D seen on the map in "1248: Out of the Darkness", the final condition of Corridor in 1248 is stateless at that map scale. Vland is described as much stronger by 1248, by the way.

So, Lemish is just a big open blank spot on the map? "Here be dragons"?

 

[GypsyComet]

Is there any more information on this buffer? Lemish would be recovering from the Virus attacks and Vargr raids around 1205, however with the right leadership, sufficient resources, and a bit of luck, it is possible that someone might be able to put together a mutual defense organization, spanning several stars, by 1248.

It can be argued that establishing a buffer state in the neutral zone would make diplomatic and economic issues less complicated.

So, Lemish is just a big open blank spot on the map? "Here be dragons"?

Subsector C is blank, but this is a "Charted Space" scale map...

There is no further information spelled out, just inference that the area will see a lot of military traffic "passing through" as the Spinward States throw aid into 35 years of war in the Imperial Core. Early in that period the Regency tried to help defend Vland from the Black Imperium, then helps take down the Black Imperium, and finally contributes to the war against the Dominate. Except for very early and very late in that period, Vland is in no shape to argue about military traffic.

Are there commercial interests and opportunists from Regency space operating in Corridor? Almost certainly.

 

[Drakon]

Subsector C is blank, but this is a "Charted Space" scale map...
...
Are there commercial interests and opportunists from Regency space operating in Corridor? Almost certainly.

And it seems the two states on either side might want to garner favor from the natives. Send in shipments of quadro triticali to help the native populations rebuild their agricultural base. Allowing the former Imperial worlds to play the two off against each other.

How many RUs to rebuild a class A starport?

 

[rancke]

How many RUs to rebuild a class A starport?

Whatever it takes to get a decent starship industry going. Everything else needed for an A classification is fairly cheap to provide and can probably be subsumed in the costs to do that.


Hans

 

[Drakon]

Whatever it takes to get a decent starship industry going. Everything else needed for an A classification is fairly cheap to provide and can probably be subsumed in the costs to do that.


Hans

So, really we're talking markets rather than facilities at this point?

Big problems would be presented by Vargr Pirates and later, Vampire fleets. One order of business after rebuilding the starport will be to eradicate the system threats. This can't be solely a military issue as once you get rid of one set of vargr pirates, new ones will try to set up shop. Both threats are amenable to the creation of coilitions with other systems and other former Imperial polities in Corridor. The Vampire fleet could even be uses to get the Vargr and humans to work together, and move past old conflicts.

 

[GypsyComet]

Those Vargr pirates may well have been a vector for Virus in the first place. Virus ripped through Vargr space with no (reported) resistance. There may not be any Vargr pirates to worry about for many years, but of course you trade that for having to consider *every* ship that arrives in-system as an existential threat.

 

[rancke]

So, really we're talking markets rather than facilities at this point?

To get a class A starport -- a place where any civilian with enough money can go and have a starship built for him in reasonable time at standard costs -- you need the commerce to support a class A starport. But to get a shipyard, all you need is someone willing to pay the costs. This would usually be the government, but I suppose you could have a private sector institution fund it if you can come up with a plausible story. Or even an individual; high-population worlds would have plenty of -illionaires. Any multi-billionaire would be able to fund a shipyard, and there would be people richer than multi-billionaires.


Hans