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It mentions the bullets are needle-like, and 120mm long. Hmmm, does the APS fire flechettes, then?! ;)
(I know, different thread....)
 
It mentions the bullets are needle-like, and 120mm long. Hmmm, does the APS fire flechettes, then?! ;)
(I know, different thread....)
 
We use the accelerator rifle for any underwater action.Not the best but a self propelled round sounded like it should be able to do the job well.
Infact the accelerator rifle IMTU is the main all terrain weapon, not brilliant but works in most places. The only player who habitualy carries one (a belter)decieded she was not going on this hair brained mission.
 
We use the accelerator rifle for any underwater action.Not the best but a self propelled round sounded like it should be able to do the job well.
Infact the accelerator rifle IMTU is the main all terrain weapon, not brilliant but works in most places. The only player who habitualy carries one (a belter)decieded she was not going on this hair brained mission.
 
I was in Alaska in the US Army for a time. They wnated us to do some "Winter combat trainig".
We lived in tents during the month of January and the average temperature was -109 F. Our heaters only warmed the tents up to 38F which felt toasty to us.
We could only function outside in that temperature with all of our cold weather gear on for 15-20 minutes. After that time there was a danger of our getting frostbite.

Our equipment froze, our radio batteries died every 2 hours, our food never really got hot just warm. We were mostly miserable when we were not pissed off and feeling useless.

I now live in "Sunny" Southern California.
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I was in Alaska in the US Army for a time. They wnated us to do some "Winter combat trainig".
We lived in tents during the month of January and the average temperature was -109 F. Our heaters only warmed the tents up to 38F which felt toasty to us.
We could only function outside in that temperature with all of our cold weather gear on for 15-20 minutes. After that time there was a danger of our getting frostbite.

Our equipment froze, our radio batteries died every 2 hours, our food never really got hot just warm. We were mostly miserable when we were not pissed off and feeling useless.

I now live in "Sunny" Southern California.
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All that training by so many of our armed forces, and what happens? We all end up in the middle of a flippin desert!
Southern California-sounds too sunny for me, not enough good British drizzle.
Any idea how long a military unit could stay out and active at -35c with basic tech7 kit?
The PCs may try and sit it out.
Oh the other factor is a very thin atmos and relitivly flat terrain.
 
All that training by so many of our armed forces, and what happens? We all end up in the middle of a flippin desert!
Southern California-sounds too sunny for me, not enough good British drizzle.
Any idea how long a military unit could stay out and active at -35c with basic tech7 kit?
The PCs may try and sit it out.
Oh the other factor is a very thin atmos and relitivly flat terrain.
 
Any idea how long a military unit could stay out and active at -35c with basic tech7 kit?
Well it takes TL0 to survive in that temperature range indefinitely. You just need to learn to like salmon and seal blubber.

Oh the other factor is a very thin atmos and relitivly flat terrain.
The thin atmosphere is an advantage. Less thermal mass in the air for convection. It means they will need an oxygen maker though.
 
Any idea how long a military unit could stay out and active at -35c with basic tech7 kit?
Well it takes TL0 to survive in that temperature range indefinitely. You just need to learn to like salmon and seal blubber.

Oh the other factor is a very thin atmos and relitivly flat terrain.
The thin atmosphere is an advantage. Less thermal mass in the air for convection. It means they will need an oxygen maker though.
 
Originally posted by penal battalion:

Any idea how long a military unit could stay out and active at -35c with basic tech7 kit?
If Stalingrad and the Cho-Sen Reservoir are any indicators, I'd say, as long as they needed to. Fear of having your head shot off can be a strong motivator. ;)

(OT)@cweiskircher: Just curious, but how did your electronics hold up under those temps? I work in the field and we rarely get any reliable feedback.
Thanks
 
Originally posted by penal battalion:

Any idea how long a military unit could stay out and active at -35c with basic tech7 kit?
If Stalingrad and the Cho-Sen Reservoir are any indicators, I'd say, as long as they needed to. Fear of having your head shot off can be a strong motivator. ;)

(OT)@cweiskircher: Just curious, but how did your electronics hold up under those temps? I work in the field and we rarely get any reliable feedback.
Thanks
 
Well, Fairbanks' UAF campus police had to discontinue using the Glock 9mm and 10mm; at 40 below farenheight, the thermal shock will shatter* them when fired.

*shatter was what the Anchorage daily news called it. Having looked at pictures, no, not shattered. Rendered unsafe due to barrel cracking and upper receiver cracked to the point of immanent failure.

At 40 below F., M16 practice at Ft Rich is slowed, but continues.

And while long-term, wind chill makes no difference to non-thermally-active items, it does have profound effects upon motors, and upon how fast something cools to ambient.

So, if you have an abient temp of -50, and wind chill of -80, it cools as if it were -80 out until it hits -50.

Engines have it worse; engines NEED heat to operate (too much or too little, and the don't run); wind chil affects heat lost by the engine, and thus is running stable temperature. If the RST can not be brought up to a nominally useful range, loading may result in engine failure.

Many in Fairbanks have a bra on their vehicles. It's not there for looks, but to reduce air intake from the front, and thus reduce both wind chill and engine cold air intake. Remember, the radiator is where it is to prewarm intake air and cool the engine by conduction to flowing ram air, making use of wind chill effect to maximize cooling. If you block the radiator's forward flow, the air intake draws air from the rest of the engine compartment; the extra degree makes little difference... but the lack of radiator cooling and direct ram conduction losses upon the engine do.
 
Well, Fairbanks' UAF campus police had to discontinue using the Glock 9mm and 10mm; at 40 below farenheight, the thermal shock will shatter* them when fired.

*shatter was what the Anchorage daily news called it. Having looked at pictures, no, not shattered. Rendered unsafe due to barrel cracking and upper receiver cracked to the point of immanent failure.

At 40 below F., M16 practice at Ft Rich is slowed, but continues.

And while long-term, wind chill makes no difference to non-thermally-active items, it does have profound effects upon motors, and upon how fast something cools to ambient.

So, if you have an abient temp of -50, and wind chill of -80, it cools as if it were -80 out until it hits -50.

Engines have it worse; engines NEED heat to operate (too much or too little, and the don't run); wind chil affects heat lost by the engine, and thus is running stable temperature. If the RST can not be brought up to a nominally useful range, loading may result in engine failure.

Many in Fairbanks have a bra on their vehicles. It's not there for looks, but to reduce air intake from the front, and thus reduce both wind chill and engine cold air intake. Remember, the radiator is where it is to prewarm intake air and cool the engine by conduction to flowing ram air, making use of wind chill effect to maximize cooling. If you block the radiator's forward flow, the air intake draws air from the rest of the engine compartment; the extra degree makes little difference... but the lack of radiator cooling and direct ram conduction losses upon the engine do.
 
Well firearms of our TL or TL7/8 are not reall impressed by ice if it comes to military assault rifles. Pistols will have considerable less effect though. Parabellum (9x19mm)doesn't make a good punch and should be stopped by ice-cubes 1' thick. My H&K G3 however penetrated that much brick on 100m EASILY.

UL
 
Well firearms of our TL or TL7/8 are not reall impressed by ice if it comes to military assault rifles. Pistols will have considerable less effect though. Parabellum (9x19mm)doesn't make a good punch and should be stopped by ice-cubes 1' thick. My H&K G3 however penetrated that much brick on 100m EASILY.

UL
 
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