Imperial Navy uniform
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Garyius2003
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No. Just no. I would rater envision star wars than than. I have seen fast food workers better uniformed.
Supplement Four
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The chick must be an Admiral. The dude, an ensign.
Vladika
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My I add another NO to that
One of them is going to invite me to the resort and the other carry my luggage?:rofl:
At last, JetLite airlines have given us the 3i Navy uniform
They're getting there. Airliners are getting close, too. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=luxury+airliner&FORM=HDRSC2
Nah! Navy, Scout, Marine Ship and smart Merchants Uniforms are a "Slip Suit", a snug fitting Soft Vacuum rated suit that can be used as Inner-ware for actual Vacc-Suits or Combat Armor & Battle Dress, available from about TL10 (ATM under development by NASA & the ESA), when not being warn under Vacc-Suits you can pull and "Undress" jacket over.
High TL Tailored Vacc-suits are expensive to buy and maintain especially when you are assigning multiple suits per deployed crew person or those assigned to High Ports.
High TL Tailored Vacc-suits are expensive to buy and maintain especially when you are assigning multiple suits per deployed crew person or those assigned to High Ports.
Hi,
I've never been a big fan of the whole "skin tight"/"form fitting" idea for normal wear either. To me, if someone is supposed to work day and night for extended periods of time in a shipboard environment I'd think that something comfortable, loose fitting, with lots of pockets (maybe a little along the lines of a modern day BDU or the USCG's ODU or similar) may seem to make sense to me.
I've never been a big fan of the whole "skin tight"/"form fitting" idea for normal wear either. To me, if someone is supposed to work day and night for extended periods of time in a shipboard environment I'd think that something comfortable, loose fitting, with lots of pockets (maybe a little along the lines of a modern day BDU or the USCG's ODU or similar) may seem to make sense to me.
Not really. You are thinking price for a single suit retail to civilians. The IN doesn't purchase like that. The uniform needs to be hard vacuum rated for ships on patrol.
IMTU, Choker Blues are the dress uniforms. And have been since 1985 or so. Basically, USN choker whites in style, complete with hardboard epaulette rank/division insignia, and the black faux-leather belt, and gold buttons, but in black. (Marines wear the same, but in Scarlet.)
Office is a crew-collar button-up dress shirt, soft epaulettes, and optional sweater. Which said shirt can be worn under the dress tunic...
Ship Duty is a color-coded tailored Vacc Suit, by department. Matching ODU-like coveralls are also allowed, and are a standard dirtside uniform
Dirtside assignments, Choker Whites are authorized for warm weather/mess wear.
problem there is you have to strip down to go Vacc Rated, should their be a Breach all your crew goes rushing to "Emergency Pressure Safe Quarters" or for their overly bulky Emergency Vacc Suits.
Go with a Slip Suit and you can go fully Vacc rated much quicker if your willing to forgo your plumbing connections, most of your Emergency Vacc-suits can be a lot smaller. when it comes time for Pockets just pull on an appropriate Harness, Vest, Garage shirt or BDU top, for lower body pockets their are harnesses that do the load baring off the waist, also Utility Shorts, BDU pants (both with Velcro or Clip quick releases) and Workman's Kilts, Heck I've got a couple of heavy weight cotton and one Leather Workmens kilts in my cupboard each with more pocket space than my BDU pants and that's before I add the clip on pouches. Stewards and Officers can have quick release trousers and Undress Jackets to look good for visitors and on the Coms.
Go with a Slip Suit and you can go fully Vacc rated much quicker if your willing to forgo your plumbing connections, most of your Emergency Vacc-suits can be a lot smaller. when it comes time for Pockets just pull on an appropriate Harness, Vest, Garage shirt or BDU top, for lower body pockets their are harnesses that do the load baring off the waist, also Utility Shorts, BDU pants (both with Velcro or Clip quick releases) and Workman's Kilts, Heck I've got a couple of heavy weight cotton and one Leather Workmens kilts in my cupboard each with more pocket space than my BDU pants and that's before I add the clip on pouches. Stewards and Officers can have quick release trousers and Undress Jackets to look good for visitors and on the Coms.
Three images of imperial navy shipboard uniforms were published in Arrival Vengeance, drawn by Mike Vialrdi. One of these depicting a Vegan in uniform is in his Deviantart.com gallery (Caesar120).
From Wold Builders Handbook "When Scouts are in the field, away from civilization, (for example, when on shipboard survey or planetside wilderness exploration), the field duty uniform is the tailored Tech Level 15 vacc suit."
From Wold Builders Handbook "When Scouts are in the field, away from civilization, (for example, when on shipboard survey or planetside wilderness exploration), the field duty uniform is the tailored Tech Level 15 vacc suit."
Xerxeskingofking
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my tastes for navy uniforms are a "normal" shirtsleeves dress for duty uniform, with the vac suits being donned as battle stations are sounded (and carried at other times by the person).
think about it, navy personnel do not (for example) wear their lifebelts all day every day, but put them on when they need to for whatever reason. Now, I get that TL15 tailored vac suits are supposed to be more comfortable than wearing a lifebelt, but I think the same principal would apply: people working in, say, the hangers would be in vac suits all the time, but the ships cook can get away with being in his vest can apron, with his vac suit in a grab bag he carries with him and hangs on the wall while he works.
think about it, navy personnel do not (for example) wear their lifebelts all day every day, but put them on when they need to for whatever reason. Now, I get that TL15 tailored vac suits are supposed to be more comfortable than wearing a lifebelt, but I think the same principal would apply: people working in, say, the hangers would be in vac suits all the time, but the ships cook can get away with being in his vest can apron, with his vac suit in a grab bag he carries with him and hangs on the wall while he works.
Hi,
I agree with alot of what you said above. In addition to that, I'd be concerned with normal wear and tear. Plus I just can't really see anyone living 24/7 for extended periods of time in a neck to toe conformal outfit (especially when sleeping). As such, since when sleeping I'd figure a crew member would wear something more appropriate to sleeping, I'd also figure that when at their duty station a crew member would likely wear something more appropriate to those tasks as well. To me then I'd kind of lean toward something comfortable and practical, rather than something too conformal that may not let your skin breathe and/or which may bunch up and become constrictive at the joints, etc.
I think there's a bit of over reaction. Choker collars are depicted in Arrival Vengeance, see below, and are of dark colour. Obviously these people are not starship crews or naval personnel, they are air stewards, they will serve you tea and coffee, I'm not saying anything different! And as for doing maintenance work etc, you put on suitable set of uniform overalls for that.
As for wearing tailored vacc suits.... what a waste of time, wear vacc suits for combat, not daily wear. How much combat is a starship going to see in 5 years of exercises and patrolling? Random depressurizations don't happen, not with the super-incredible-tough starship hulls we have.
As for wearing tailored vacc suits.... what a waste of time, wear vacc suits for combat, not daily wear. How much combat is a starship going to see in 5 years of exercises and patrolling? Random depressurizations don't happen, not with the super-incredible-tough starship hulls we have.
It all starts with underwear
I'm a re-enactor and a lot of the uniforms I wear in portrayals of different periods have standing collars. They take some getting used to but aren't overly uncomfortable and the idea is to give a smart military appearance by keeping the chin up. The same idea during the Napoleonic period led to the use of the leather neck stock, now that's hard to wear.
Purely IMTU for comparison
What I do is give all my navy crews "ship's skinnies" or compression underwear; socks/stockings, briefs, vest and or bra. As well as providing enhanced hygiene they are designed to cover and protect the body from the immediate effects of decompression (hands and face will still be exposed but compartments are provided with decompression hoods and rescue balls). The idea is in totally unexpected breaches of the hull they will lessen the effects of decompression on soft tissue such as bruising etc. Crew can close their eyes and follow emergency strobe lights to the nearest bulkhead hatch. The idea is get out other compartment and seal it behind you.
During normal day to day operations ship skinnies are worn under "Working dress". This is usually a smock or jumpsuit with lots of pockets and made with a loose fit in hard wearing but comfortable and smart fabric. Name tag on the breast and rank marking on the upper arm, and also on the back (for easy identification in zero-g or when the wearer is sitting at a console). Most crew will wear a slipper stil soft shoe unless working in areas where they might drop something heavy.
During dangerous operations and when the ship clears for action the whole crew don TL15 Vacc skinsuits over their skinnies. Again they help with hygiene, wick away sweat and help regulate temperature (plus those skinsuits can chafe
).
As well as the above IMTU Navy crews have Dress uniforms for formal and ceremonial occasions, Officers will also have Undress uniforms for off-duty or office wear and Mess Dress for formal dining.
I'm a re-enactor and a lot of the uniforms I wear in portrayals of different periods have standing collars. They take some getting used to but aren't overly uncomfortable and the idea is to give a smart military appearance by keeping the chin up. The same idea during the Napoleonic period led to the use of the leather neck stock, now that's hard to wear.
Purely IMTU for comparison
What I do is give all my navy crews "ship's skinnies" or compression underwear; socks/stockings, briefs, vest and or bra. As well as providing enhanced hygiene they are designed to cover and protect the body from the immediate effects of decompression (hands and face will still be exposed but compartments are provided with decompression hoods and rescue balls). The idea is in totally unexpected breaches of the hull they will lessen the effects of decompression on soft tissue such as bruising etc. Crew can close their eyes and follow emergency strobe lights to the nearest bulkhead hatch. The idea is get out other compartment and seal it behind you.
During normal day to day operations ship skinnies are worn under "Working dress". This is usually a smock or jumpsuit with lots of pockets and made with a loose fit in hard wearing but comfortable and smart fabric. Name tag on the breast and rank marking on the upper arm, and also on the back (for easy identification in zero-g or when the wearer is sitting at a console). Most crew will wear a slipper stil soft shoe unless working in areas where they might drop something heavy.
During dangerous operations and when the ship clears for action the whole crew don TL15 Vacc skinsuits over their skinnies. Again they help with hygiene, wick away sweat and help regulate temperature (plus those skinsuits can chafe
). As well as the above IMTU Navy crews have Dress uniforms for formal and ceremonial occasions, Officers will also have Undress uniforms for off-duty or office wear and Mess Dress for formal dining.
The Napoleonic leather neck stock was actually neck armor - it's literally a narrow gorget.
I'm an ex-SCA Fencer, and a 16oz leather collar is very practical armor - not symbolic, not for keeping the head up... it's protection against opening the jugular or carotid.
The upright cloth collars have less practical use, but still, they provide a minimal level of protection.
I'm an ex-SCA Fencer, and a 16oz leather collar is very practical armor - not symbolic, not for keeping the head up... it's protection against opening the jugular or carotid.
The upright cloth collars have less practical use, but still, they provide a minimal level of protection.
While the leather stock has a practical use as armor, Peelers in the 19th Century used them to save themselves from being garotted or strangled, they were retained in army use to keep the chin up and ensure that the soldier assumed the regulation stance at attention. Horse hair was sometimes substituted for leather and officers generally used silk.
The main sword wounds that a soldier in the field was likely to suffer were a slash to the head for which purpose the shako or bearskin was worn to deflect the sabre. Thrusting wounds from the straight heavy sword or lance were more likely to strike the upper body.
If you've ever worn a regulation leather stock like I have you'll understand the way it prevents the jaw and chin from depressing naturally. In fact relevant to this thread, any properly tailored uniform should cause the wearer to take on a military bearing.
Also relevant to this thread, military uniforms usually lag behind current fashion and often retain obsolete details whose purpose is no longer practical only decorative.
What types of detail on an Imperial Navy uniform might be retained? Radiation dose counters, connectors for zero-g strap downs, a ceremonial multi-tool (like a Grenadier's match holder), all out dated at TL15 but retained as part of the "spacer" heritage.
You might also added decorative details, some ranks or specialties might have a badge or decoration recalling their institution by some Admiral or Emperor. Certain ships crews might have a unique decoration or style of button awarded for performing a special service such as carrying the Empress onboard.
The main sword wounds that a soldier in the field was likely to suffer were a slash to the head for which purpose the shako or bearskin was worn to deflect the sabre. Thrusting wounds from the straight heavy sword or lance were more likely to strike the upper body.
If you've ever worn a regulation leather stock like I have you'll understand the way it prevents the jaw and chin from depressing naturally. In fact relevant to this thread, any properly tailored uniform should cause the wearer to take on a military bearing.
Also relevant to this thread, military uniforms usually lag behind current fashion and often retain obsolete details whose purpose is no longer practical only decorative.
What types of detail on an Imperial Navy uniform might be retained? Radiation dose counters, connectors for zero-g strap downs, a ceremonial multi-tool (like a Grenadier's match holder), all out dated at TL15 but retained as part of the "spacer" heritage.
You might also added decorative details, some ranks or specialties might have a badge or decoration recalling their institution by some Admiral or Emperor. Certain ships crews might have a unique decoration or style of button awarded for performing a special service such as carrying the Empress onboard.
