Imperial Navy Uniforms
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There's very little truth in what you say. You're more than welcome to make up your own universe. You're likewise welcome to share it with us. What you're not welcome to is to assume that to the rest of us your universe will overshadow the common references that the rest of us base our common interest on. Your ideas may be incredibly cool. They may be so cool that others will abandon the canon version and use your ideas instead. But unless they are, the odds are that we'll prefer to stay sufficiently compatible with the canon setting to get useful ideas from each other.
I've managed to come up with a few bits of creativity in my time, and you know what, in most cases I did it without straying far enough from canon to make my material incompatible with the canon setting[*]. And that setting is so far from being fully fleshed out that it's difficult to find words to express it.
[*] There are exceptions, of course, though mostly when I wrote up something that hadn't been covered yet and was subsequently covered after I'd done a lot of work on it. My Trojan Reach differs from the canon version, as does several of my worlds in the Spinward Marches.
So what? The amount of material you need to read in order to familiarize yourself with even the most well-developed part of Charted Space is hardly overwhelming. If you choose one of the less developed regions, you can have what amounts to a free hand, though why anyone who wants a free hand don't just make up his own universe in the first place is beyond me. If you don't want to familiarize yourself with a setting, why bother with it in the first place? The whole point of a commercial setting is to have someone else do some of the work for you. If you have to do all the work yourself, why not make up your own universe and be done with it?
What a terrible waste of good background material that would be.
And 30 years' worth of work by scores of writers.
Sure it is. And each one would be different. Sometimes not more so than we could use parts of each others' material with some effort; other times so different that we couldn't use each others' material without a lot of effort or even not at all.
This is what is known as an opinion. Your opinion. It isn't shared by everyone. My opinion, for example, is that in the grand scheme of things, canon is useful for ensuring that new material, by fan or professional alike, can be fitted into existing TUs with a minimum of work.
What Imperial Navy did you think the original post was about? Personally, I thought it was about the OTU Imperial Navy.
Hans
Hi
I could definitely see something like these as dress uniforms:
Regards
PF
[Edit] PS. Looking over the internet I see that the New Jersey State Police Uniforms (like the guy in the middle) appear to look a little like what I have in mind for the Imperial Navy (but with a Blue Stripe instead of Yellow on the trousers).
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I could definitely see something like these as dress uniforms:
Regards
PF
[Edit] PS. Looking over the internet I see that the New Jersey State Police Uniforms (like the guy in the middle) appear to look a little like what I have in mind for the Imperial Navy (but with a Blue Stripe instead of Yellow on the trousers).
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Traveller
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I have little tolerance for elitism, especially when it's detrimental to the game as a whole.
It does not specify in the thread whether it is or is not about the OTU Imperial Navy. The thread title is "Imperial Navy Uniforms" and the question is "What color are they?" If the question was "What color are they in the OTU?" that would be one thing because then it would be limiting the responses to what canon reveals regarding the uniforms (which is little to nothing).
However, this is an opinion poll and therefore open to everyone, regardless of how strictly they adhere to Traveller canon. Further, the wonderful thing about opinions is that they are never wrong, or else they aren't opinions.
My truth is colored by my experiences having had to deal with such elitist nonsense as canon junkies for a decade now on places all over the Internet. There are very few places I frequent in the role playing world these days because of people who seem to think that you're doing it wrong if you don't accept the writ of god. I will give you credit however. You haven't threatened to track me down and bust my kneecaps yet.
[Note: That threat actually did happen.]
Nothing I stated in this thread up to this point, to the best of my knowledge, is incompatible with canon. Nevertheless, we're just going to have to agree to disagree regarding rebooting the Third Imperium, since you're more concerned with preserving the setting than you are with the game itself. That and the fact this thread is not the place for this discussion.
I concern myself with the game, and telling stories with the game. Thus my opinion that canon is unimportant. I would ask how many retcons were done to the setting in order to make it a cohesive whole, but at this point I really don't care. All that I care about is the game.
I beg to differ. All the source material I've ever read implies that sector and/or world navies are under a different command altogether. At least that's what I recall.
And I'm running out of patience with people who confuse a desire to stick to a common frame of reference with elitism.
It doesn't have to specify that it's about the OTU Imperial Navy. That's the default assumption. If the question was "What color are they in any number of different universes", then it would be meaningless.
No one has contradicted your choice in the poll, have they?
Please do us the courtesy of not painting anyone who expresses interest in a common frame of reference with the same brush.
My problem is with people who mistake people who point out that something isn't compatible with the common frame of reference with people who think you're doing it wrong if you don't accept the writ of god. I don't think you're wrong. I just don't think you're being particularily relevant.
Note: Somewhere else and by someone else. Thus not relevant. If you want to attack me, at least attack me for something I've actually done.
You clearly have no informed knowledge about what I'm concerned with.
Hans
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Planetary navies are separate organizations. Duchy (subsector) navies are separate organizations according to CT material and part of the IN according to MT material. The third level of organization is the Imperial Navy. There are no sector navies, and the sector fleets mentioned in MT are composed of all fleets stationed in each sector.
Hans
Sorry, I meant subsector.
I see that the New Jersey State Police Uniforms (like the guy in the middle) appear to look a little like what I have in mind for the Imperial Navy (but with a Blue Stripe instead of Yellow on the trousers).
I grew up in San Diego where cops didn't where hats and their outfits looked very boring. Only if you saw their gun, did you know they were a cop. Or if they just came out of a parked black and white nearby.
The New Jersey uniforms seem way over the top in comparison. That guy in the middle looks like he has clout of some kind.
I'm noticing the age of these guys. Several terms served (rolled for) by now. Some sucking in their guts to fit their uniform.
I kinda like the uniforms in Star Trek TNG where everytime someone stood up they had to pull down their jacket to unwrinkle it before heading off to the turbo lift. That became a feature of the outfit that viewers expected to see them do all the time while on camera.
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I read that in GURPS Traveller 2nd Edition.
Maybe I'm cross referencing my source material then.
Traveller
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People who have to dissect posts to make their points don't have very strong points to make in the first place.
It's an opinion poll, and it's on a subject that the Traveller canon does not cover. So, what do you do now? You make something up. In doing so, you put your own stamp on the Traveller canon, thus removing you from the OTU since the uniform you make up is unlikely to be the official uniform.
The real problem here is twofold. The first problem lies with the fact that we are diametrically opposed in the value of the Traveller canon. You believe it to be of value, and I believe it should be jettisoned since it retards adoption of the game itself. The second problem is because of our opposing viewpoints on the value of Traveller canon we see these forums differently. For you, every discussion must have the OTU as a frame of reference and must fit within that frame. I'm willing to think outside the OTU box, unless it is explicitly stated otherwise.
Strangely enough in creating this latest reply, I thought of the picture of the old timer character from the MegaTraveller Starship Operator's Manual. Unfortunately the uniform he wears is a merchant's uniform, but it might give people some ideas to come up with a uniform for the Navy that's closer to the OTU, to make the canon junkies like yourself in the audience happy. Meanwhile, I'll take my Star Trek uniforms, and the various ideas that seem to not be liked because I have no problem with tossing canon to suit my whims, and leave this particular thread. My patience has gone.
The real problem is that you made a highly condescending personal attack on people who think canon is useful, imputing motives to all such people that, at least in my case, has nothing to do with reality, and instead of doing what I usually do, sighing patiently and just ignoring you, I called you on it.
Hans
Madarin Dude
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Well consider it lucky that cannon did not go with what was popular at the time of printing and make Imperial uniforms purple leisure suits.
On a more serious note I could see a utility uniform with numerous pockets so you can carry tools weapons ammo supplies etc. And a dress uniform that makes you look like a bus driver. (sorry ex air force we had suck horrid class a uniforms why should we have to suffer alone)
On a more serious note I could see a utility uniform with numerous pockets so you can carry tools weapons ammo supplies etc. And a dress uniform that makes you look like a bus driver. (sorry ex air force we had suck horrid class a uniforms why should we have to suffer alone)
That's not can... Oh well, when you're right, you're right.I think we're all agreed that mandarin collars are de rigeur for the Imperial Navy
Hans
Gray Lensman
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Why did this bring an instant image of "Liesure Suit Larry" to mind? :nonono:
Absolutely, and different services/branches would have different setups in those utility uniforms (IE. Medical service personnel would need different arrangements than say engineers/combat specialists.
:rofl: At least if you were Air Force they were a reasonable shade of blue, not that horrid green I had to wear in the Army.
I have been watching a lot of Star Trek: Enterprise lately and leaning more towards A single uniform color with some striping/piping to indicate branch along with single, simple rank insignia and maybe a patch or two for unit assignment.
